Fuck all you warmongering pieces of shit

No, they are simply long defunct. Your ranting about “white people” is an issue that you are just making up out of whole cloth.

And you’re a genocidal fanatic; I would be more worried if you approved of my opinions, that would indicate severe issues on my part.

Apparently Iranian state media is claiming destruction of an American military base, and near destruction of Israel. Or similar fantasy nonsense. All for internal politics. Does that make any warmongers consider that maybe Iranian calls for the destruction of Israel (and the US, for that matter) are mostly just bluster for internal purposes, rather than a real existential threat?

The Ottoman empire hasn’t been defunct that much longer than the various European empires. And AFAIK the Turks are partially responsible for creating the mess in the Balkans that erupted into war and genocide in the 90s.

More like 10,000 or 12,000 years of war, based on the fortifications around settlements of those times. But yeah, being a crossroads has its downsides.

Also to get those pesky Jews out of their own neighborhood…

Of course it is… but since Iran is the “enemy of the West” most Westerner don’t give a shit. Neither do most Israelis. In general, people have little to no sympathy for the enemy whether real or perceived.

I know about the Iran hostage crisis; I met one of them.

New Zealand media reports that Australia supports the American bombing -
Why am I not surprised? Australia is just all of the worst America, but in the little brother form…

I know you’re not stupid. I presume you know the history of the Middle East during the past 150 or so years. Britain fucked up so very many places in the world during the colonial era. From Ireland, across the Middle East, Africa, South Asia, hell most of Asia along the coasts. And when they lost it after WWII the U.S. carried on - not as a colonial power per se, but damned close. For the U.S. after WWII, it was mostly about two things: destroying communism and oil.

And yet, when someone mentions this, you start ranting about racism. Because..? Brown people are just as bad..?

Only the Ashkenazi. The English jews were freaked out over them, fearing that their arrival would provoke dormant hatred against them, who had fought so long to assimilate and gain acceptance.

One of the things that troubles me most deeply – and I think it’s to @iiandyiiii fundamental point – is that I can’t rule out that Bibi bought some of Trump’s crypto … or meme coin … or stable coin … or Trump Media & Technology shares … or bought into one of his resorts .. or got the IDF all Trump Mobile phones and calling plans … or…

Seriously: how could any objective person possibly rule it out?

One way to look at it is that we’ve got some real world performance data on our bunker busters now, and if/when it does actually become necessary to destroy a real nuclear bunker (not this performative Trump business), we’ll be better equipped to do so.

I think that’s a pretty stupidly simplistic way of viewing history. Some things are the fault of the British, but we can’t pretend that absolutely everything is.

Again, that’s true - to an extent. There certainly are screwups you can blame on American policy around the world. But again, certain Tankie types tend to blame absolutely everything that ever goes wrong anywhere on the planet on America, and that’s idiotic.

I’m sure all that talk by the National Socialists about exterminating the Jews was just rhetoric to bolster morale.

Wasn’t Iran-Contra illegal? As in the US illegal?

Iran is not just blustering. They have been HUGE supporters of Hamas and Hezbollah and Houthis and (I think) PIJ. They are putting a lot of money where their mouth is to kill people.

Such big supporters I am not sure any of those groups would even exist without Iran’s aid (or just be a shadow of what they are).

The thing is, being victimized does not necessarily make martyred saints out of people. Maybe they were assholes before, in which case being victimized just made them bitter, resentful self-pitying assholes.

Idiots be like:

Some of it is real - they do support terrorists. But you’d have us cling to the bullshit lies of Netanyahu - thirty years of lies. And now Trump lies. I don’t buy it.

Iranian leaders are evil and support terror. That doesn’t mean they are ready and willing to commit suicide, no matter what Netanyahu says about it. They were willing to stick to the JCPOA while it was active - that’s pretty good evidence that they have some motivations higher than “must kill all Jews” . I’m tired of the lies that bullshit us into unnecessary wars.

You keep hand waving away Iran’s decades long support of terrorism that has cost many lives and focus on Netanyahu and Trump.

It is entirely possible they all suck and you can condemn them all. No need to pick or choose thinking it will somehow diminish the suckiness of the other.

I’m with you on Netanyahu and Trump. I despise them both. I think they are absolutely making the whole world a worse and more dangerous place. I also think the same about Ali Hosseini Khamenei.

They all fucking suck.

You’re a racist moron.

At least you are succinct.

(that’s the best I can say)

My white supremacist cousins are now discussing an apparent ceasefire. They’re mistaking it for a permanent truce. Some people can’t distinguish the two; I’m teaching them but they’re dismissing my explanation. So frustrating!!