When a Nazi soldier shot a Jew who was trying to resist getting on the train to Auschwitz, was that genocide? After all, it was killing a single person.
Genocide is big. It is, of course, composed of many, many different acts. No one individual act is ever genocide. It’s the pattern of all of the acts together that makes a genocide.
If you want a private conversation with one make it a private conversation.
Otherwise, don’t get your panties in a bunch if someone else jumps into your PUBLIC conversation.
Actually, what makes a genocide is the dolus specialis or special intent. It is the underlying motivation for the act.
In your example, the Nazi guard is acting as part of an organization whose goal is the destruction of the Jewish people through their executions in gas chambers. So that’s what makes that act genocidal.
What I objected to above was the definition you offered:
This is a much vaguer, more general definition. Yes, it includes the Nazi guard. It also includes Elias Rodriguez, who shot two Jews with the intent of causing members of the target population to die.
No it isn’t you illiterate war-lover. Is English not your first language? ‘Fits a pattern’ and ‘exclusively comprises’ are far from the same thing, as you no doubt do know but choose to ignore in your fervour to lick as far up IOF butthole as humanly possible.
Do you condemn 30+ years of suicide bombings and literally thousands of missile and mortar attacks and a rampage that killed random people and took many hostage?
Sure I do not like violence. I am not convinced anyone writing here would truly be so complacent if someone dropped missiles on them regularly and then rampaged in and kidnapped your children.
And remember, above, I showed Iran is committed to their destruction…they have been explicit about it…they have a countdown clock for their destruction. Iran absolutely supports and provides the missiles to Hamas and others. The surrounding countries have literally gone to full-blown WAR in an effort to annihilate Israel. Several times.
And you are butthurt that they defend themselves? It sucks innocent people die in war but I am not sure that can be avoided.
What is your alternative? Do you have a plan for peace in the Middle East? If you do, march straight to Sweden and collect your Nobel Peace Prize.
Banquet Bear has frequently condemned Hamas and specifically Oct 7, you idiotic shit.
When asked about IDF atrocities, all you can do is sidestep to other atrocities that everyone has already condemned. Hamas atrocities are terrible. So are IDF atrocities.
And the IDF atrocities are continuing in the present, based on personal reports from members of the IDF, among tons and tons of other evidence.
That you keep sidestepping, over and over, leads me to believe that you think IDF atrocities are okay.
…yes.
Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th?
I’m not sidestepping. I am saying Israel can defend itself. In the course of that defense innocent people will be hurt. It is a fact of war.
Your option is Israel should just not do anything.
My opinion is that Israel should not conduct atrocities. Atrocities are not required to defend one’s country.
Do you believe atrocities are required for defense?
Are you seriously suggesting Israel is trying to commit atrocities?
Very clearly many in the IDF, and many in Israeli government, want atrocities. They’ve said so publicly.
When they say publicly that they want to do terrible things, and then the terrible things happen, and IDF members personally report they were ordered to do terrible things (like shoot unarmed civilians who posed no threat while waiting for food), then it seems pretty damn reasonable to blame them for those terrible things.
They have? Cite?
If Israel is all in on killing kids and aid workers then yeah…fuck them. That needs to be stopped!
…while you don’t appear to be asking me directly, I’ll answer this for you because thats how message boards work.
And the answer is yes.
You aren’t asking me this question directly, but I’ve provided this citation already in the South African submission to the International Court of Justice.
While I’ve got you here:
Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th?
Here’s a post that links to IDF members reporting they were ordered to shoot harmless unarmed civilians:
The New York Times have an even more damning indictment here, that shows a pattern of the IDF deliberately sniping children, but its paywalled. If you have a subscription you can read it here.
Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th?
How the fuck can you snipe 4-year olds and not be considered ‘all in’?
And your ‘innocents die in war’ bullshit is tiresome. How stupid would anyone have to be to think ‘innocents die in war’ excused any of the Oct 7 killings? Well, you’re exactly that dumb.
How dumb do you have to be to think war is clean…or is done in a clean way and no innocents are hurt?
I also find the notion of an Israeli sniper intentionally targeting and killing a 4-year old extremely dubious. This is MAGA levels of believe what you want.
For one of us. I’d say it’s the one ignoring the testimony of actual doctors on the ground who is the Magat.
How dumb do you have to be to think that condemning a thing is the same as thinking it doesn’t exist?
… And here’s the Israeli finance minister calling for genocide: