Bullshit. Certain people (Babale most often) flash accusations of antisemitism all the damn time:
Let me guess -you’d classify just plainly saying Israel is committing genocide or is an apartheid state as “hyper-vitriolic”, am I right? Or are you going to hinge the weaseling around what’s “one-sided”?
Pretty sure that never happens here, and if it did, it would and should earn warnings.
The you-can’t-criticize-Israel-without-being-called-anti-Semitic meme has circulated on this board for a long time. My fave was the time an indignant poster protested about how unfair he thought it was that an editorial cartoon drew protests over blood libel, merely because it showed Ariel Sharon crouched in the ruins of a village, biting the head off a Palestinian baby. The person(s) defending that cartoon did not, as I recall, get a warning.
More recently there was this gem of a cartoon, which by golly, no one should view as anti-Semitic, and you do, it just goes to show that one can’t criticize Israel without being called a bigot. 
As for those screeching "genocide!', there are posters and others simply ignorant about what genocide truly is, as opposed to individuals carrying resentment against “Jews milking the Holocaust” who are gleeful about turning accusations of genocide back on them over events in Gaza - not caring about how that misinterpretation dilutes the historical horrors inflicted on people genuinely targeted for extermination - Jews and Armenians for example. Some genocide-shouters are even open about their sympathies with white nationalist bigots (see: Graham Platner).
A mixed bag of dupes and shitheads, in other words.
Are you saying that anyone who believes this Israeli government is overseeing a genocide in Gaza is ignorant, “screeching”, or sympathetic to white nationalists?
… we’ve got Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention, Doctors without Borders, the UN Special Committee, along with a broad consensus of genocide scholars, all having examined the evidence and many of them published reports, all concluding that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. They all use the genocide convention as a legal framework.
There is currently a case going through the International Court of Justice. Israel were ordered to comply with a set of interim measures in order to prevent genocide. Israel ignored the court.
Perhaps the real “dupe” and “shithead” here is you. Maybe it’s YOU that doesn’t understand what genocide is.
I think there’s a sort of psychological hump that must be scaled and overcome, for many of us who, like me, were taught and believed nearly all our lives that Israel, flawed as it might be, was overall a force of decency and protection for Jews, and always would be, and (importantly - and now clearly falsely) was assumed to be inherently immune to the forces of supremacism and bigotry and atrocity on a large scale, due to the circumstances of its birth.
Many are still struggling with this hump. Babale clearly isn’t even close to considering it. @Jackmannii, hopefully you’re not so stubborn or otherwise unwilling to challenge these assumptions. Just like Palestinians and Gazans are a people like any other, so are Jews and Israelis. As individuals, just as susceptible to supremacism and bigotry. Just as able and willing to rationalize and excuse atrocities. The US obviously isn’t special - neither is Israel or any other country. Israel has, multiple times, deliberately held back sufficient food and health supplies to meet the needs of the people of Gaza. No one really denies this, outside of the Netanyahu/Trump bubble. Even Babale admits they deliberately chose incompetent clowns to lead the Gazan aid effort for political reasons. By itself, that’s more than enough to be concerned about a genocide in the making. Add on everything else, and it’s crystal clear that actual genocide should be a much, much higher concern than worrying about overstating accusations of genocide.
So on one side, we have actual examples in the present day of the “antisemitic” card being cynically played. And on the other, we have a post from…how many decades ago? Defending a cartoon.
Oh and another cartoon…exists, that has some relationship to this board?
So, playing everyone’s religious hatred off of each other:
What did it get them?
[Spoiler] Money…?
Always follow the money. Insider trading is pretty much Standard Operating Procedure for this bunch.
Cite?
Which was posted here by which poster?
What, like the ICC?
You can just fuck off with the genocide denial, thanks.
Thankfully, never a hump I’ve had because I grew up knowing that Israel was very best buddies with the racist Apartheid government of South Africa.
Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian government are all various flavors of Islamic fascism. Even if people don’t directly support them, they are indirectly supporting them. That’s why the now deceased ayatollah made a statement supporting college students in their pro-palestine and anti-Israel actions and views.
Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei expressed his support for pro-Palestine protesters on U.S. college campuses, telling them they were “on the right side of history.”
In an open letter on X (formerly Twitter), Khamenei, who is known for forcefully suppressing any kind of dissent within his country, praises the American students for their “defense of the Palestinian people” and criticizes the U.S. government’s support for Israel.
“You have now formed a branch of the Resistance Front and have begun an honorable struggle in the face of your government’s ruthless pressure – which openly supports Zionists,” the aging leader said.
So a bunch of people who are indirectly supporting Islamic fascism by supporting beliefs and actions that are useful to the ayatollah and his agenda doesn’t really persuade me.
But either way, it doesn’t matter. Some of us like myself have built very elaborate cognitive frameworks inside our own heads that we use to filter our understanding of the world. Over time we become emotionally dependent on these cognitive frameworks and any attack upon them is a direct attack on our emotional stability. These frameworks are sometimes completely detached from reality, and require large amounts of logical fallacies to maintain the integrity thereof. So do your worst.
Also, again, was anyone here protesting when the Iranian regime killed 30,000 pro-democracy protesters a few months ago?
The Emerging Red-Green Alliance: Where Political Islam Meets the Radical Left
Abstract:
No matter how unlikely it may seem, radical Leftists and Islamists have come closer in recent years. Drawing on substantial ideological interchange, and operating at both state and non-state levels, the two movements are building a Common Front against the United States and its allies. In this article, we use framing theory to examine the contemporary convergence of political Islam and the radical Left. Both radical Leftists and Islamists have utilized the master frame of anti-globalization/anti-capitalism and the master frame of anti-colonialism/anti-imperialism to elicit support from the widest possible range of people. The emerging Red-Green alliance presents a complex challenge that will require careful attention from U.S. and European policymakers.
So because Iran killed protesting civilians, now it’s good that the US and Israel have killed a bunch more civilians, and raised prices for pretty much the entire world?
And in exchange we get… Nothing! Dead Americans, lots of dead Iranians, higher prices… Profit?
And who in this thread is indirectly supporting Hamas, Hezbollah, or the Iranian government?
Look, there are probably people in this country and elsewhere that support these groups, either directly or indirectly. But in this thread? That was my question, which you neatly avoided.
In fact, many in this thread have condemned these groups. But you obviously have chosen to overlook those posts. You wanna bitch about radical leftists, go right ahead. Just don’t automatically put anti-war Dopers in that group.
Well… profit for some folks at any rate. Just not you or me.
I believe the thinking is that if you don’t offer full throated support for whatever Israel does, up to and including bombing civilians, then you are clearly “indirectly” supporting islamic terrorism.
Ah, yes. Silly me. Thanks for clearing that up. I am indeed one of the whiny assholes that Wesley was bitching about.
Bullshit.
That you know this and still post as you do is just an admission of trolling, as far as I’m concerned.
Whataboutism is clearly one of the logical fallacies sustaining your delusional mental framework.
Were any of the folks that support “Trump’s” “war” here protesting it? Or are they using those victims to, conveniently, create justification “Trump’s” “war”?
Here’s the hump I struggle with. We can’t hold Israel to a higher standard than that to which we hold ourselves. I can’t think of anything Israel have done in Gaza that we didn’t do a thousand times harder to the Germans and Japanese in WWII. So, were the Greatest Generation guilty of genocide? If not, why not?
Because they were in a position to fight back, it wasn’t us just massacring them with the intent to kill them all. We didn’t reduce their nations to wreckage and keep it that way for decades while pushing them off their land, with heavy doses of torture and murder thrown in.
You’ve even missed the actual genocide the US did commit, and that the Israelis have modeled their own society on: the genocide and replacement of the Native Americans. The Israelis ultimately will kill all the Palestinians; and then when that’s done seek new targets.