I can’t speak for him, but as far as I can tell, his point is, that he’s found examples of antisemitism exist, so that means that it’s not true that you can’t criticize Israel without being called a bigot.
Which makes no fucking sense whatsoever. It’s not even a logical fallacy. It’s just gibberish.
The point that you are unintentionally making is that you equate any criticism of Isreal with the terrorist attack in your first link.
This happened.
Congrats warmongers, this war appears to have vastly strengthened Iran while decimating US power and image abroad:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/rubio-iran-own-the-strait-now-and-thats-a-huge-bummer
Secretary of State Marco Rubio today made some extraordinary comments after briefing G7 leaders about the progress – albeit difficult to call it that – in the US’s Iran War. He seemed to say that the US won’t be able to reestablish freedom of transit through the Strait of Hormuz even as a final war objective, let along doing so in the short term by force or threat. He said he told the G7ers that one of the post-war challenges will be Iran setting up a tolling system for passage through the Strait. In other words, Iran will be so empowered after the war that it will be able to assert or seriously contest sovereignty over the Strait.
The key here is that the US seems to expect the war to end without any agreement simply not to block the Strait of Hormuz or exact tolls through it, which means claiming sovereignty over it as a kind of inland waterway. There’s really no way to describe this other than conceding that Iran will emerge from the war massively strengthened. We’ve come a long, long way from regime change and unconditional surrender. The other way to view it is that Rubio concedes that Iran will come out of the war massively strengthened and that it’s up to Europe and perhaps some countries in Asia to fix it.
Well done @Babale and @Wesley_Clark! Aren’t you so proud and so pleased? Thousands dead, hundreds of children dead, stronger Iran, weaker America… What more could you want from a war?
Assuming that they’ll even want to try; Iran is our bugaboo, not theirs.
I’ve been trying to figure out how this unauthorized war against Iran could possibly end in a way that is anything but disastrous for the U.S.
The best case I could come up with is that someone reasonable Jack Ryans their way into the Presidency and has enough support in Congress to:
A fella can dream, can’t he?
I should be used to this feeling by now, but I’m getting a little tired of underestimating just how damaging the Trump regime is to the United States. We have become weaker both economically and militarily since the start of Trump’s second administration in ways that will take decades for us to recover from. Assuming of course Americans have any interest in trying to recover.
The people I know in the Iranian diaspora all say that of course they want the regime to fall. However, they’re wary of any U.S. influence in the making of such a fall. They do know their home country’s history (as opposed to some posters here) and certainly don’t want another Shah/U.S. puppet regime.
Granted, my polling is from the less than 20 Iranians I know, who are all here because they did not want to live under the theocratic rule.
@Cervaise How does that compare with what you hear?
I have about the same number of Iranian acquaintances, and their opinions sync with your friends’.
I encourage everyone, on and off this board, to treat warmongering (i.e. advocating for wars of choice) like they would gutter bigotry (i.e. ranting about Jews, Blacks, women, LGBTQ+, etc.). “Ignore him, he’s a piece of shit warmonger” should be equivalent to “Ignore him, he’s a piece of shit Nazi”. Warmongering should be as anathema among decent people as white supremacism.
So how are you feeling, @babale, @Wesley_Clark, and any other fucktard warmongers among us? Are you happy with all the dead Iranians, Israelis, and Americans, billions of dollars wasted, closed Strait of Hormuz, and a stronger and more united Iran? Have you considered maybe, just maybe, starting a war with no mission, no plan, and lying idiots in charge, is a fucking catastrophically stupid mistake?
I’ll just jump in to confirm to those folks that if we think that “starting a war with no mission, no plan, and lying idiots in charge, is a fucking catastrophically stupid mistake”
Then that does NOT mean that we love Iran, and think they are lovely, NOR does it mean that we must be antisemites. So don’t even go there.
The latest is that we’re going to declare victory and leave, leaving Iran in charge of the Strait.
I’ve got to say that I’ve been sick to my stomach hearing the rhetoric and views of many Israelis.
For example: there was a case of a palestinian man who was so violently gangraped while in custody that he needed surgeries. The men who raped him were caught on camera but the charges were ultimately dropped due to supposed technicalities of the fairness of the trial and that the palestinian man would not be able to testify. The soldiers were widely praised in Israeli media and called “heroic warriors” by fucking Bibi.
And countless clips of Israeli parliamentarians just openly saying they don’t give a fuck about civilians.
When people on this site do war apologetics, I wonder if they’ve been duped or it’s just stuff they know they have to say because most of the west still finds this detestable.
So long as there are still videos of little Spanish-speaking kids being ripped apart from their Spanish-speaking parents, MAGA will be content to ‘lalalalalala, fingers in my ears’ our catastrophic losses in Iran.
Haven’t they always had control of the Strait (or Straight, if you are DJT)? Of course, closing it was always mostly looked as bluster right up until the current clusterfuck.
They weren’t charging any tolls before, so far as I know.
Now they’ve discovered a massive source of revenue–and the whole world knows that Donald is too weak to stop them from exploiting it.
Yeah, if they did, they didn’t exercise it.
No, they’ve always had the threat of closing the strait as a looming Sword of Damocles. But not actual control. However they are currently trying to extort tolls to transit the strait unmolested and the Iranian parliament has apparently just approved that idea as a matter of future policy. Having discovered they can successfully pressure the world economy, they seem to have decided that is a viable path forward as way both to monetize traffic (shades of Denmark in the renaissance/early modern era) and to expand their geopolitical footprint.
It’s clearly a violation of customary international law which is supposed to guarantee free transit (though Iran specifically never ratified the agreement setting this forth). I also suspect it is strategic overreach by Iran that will prevent any lasting peace. But when you start a war chaotic shit like this happens and the Iranian regime (whoever they may be at the moment) is clearly feeling strong enough and pissed off enough to engage in dangerous brinkmanship like this.
You know who else hasn’t ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea? The United States.