Fuck France, and Fuck the French!

Even the French know they are the scum of the Earth. "A survey two years ago by Paris transport operator RATP found that 97 per cent of Parisians believed their fellow citizens “were ill-mannered and lacked civility”

Fuckers! The only reason their government is begging them to smile and say Bonjour is to take your money!

“The world’s most popular city, Paris, is wrestling with its reputation as the rudest place on earth for tourists. French authorities have rolled out yet another plea for locals to refrain from the Gallic snarl in encounters with foreign visitors.”

That’s not the French, though. That’s Parisians. Much like New Yorkers, we’re in a fucking hurry, okay ?! Or, ironically, *you *didn’t open the conversation with “bonjour”, which makes you some rude ignorant foreign jerk, which gives us licence to treat you like shit.
But the rest of France is generally much more civil provided you’re not a Parisian yourself - which they naturally despise. Ignorant cack-handed rurals, y’know ? :slight_smile:

(fun with hyperboles aside, that’s a real thing you need to be aware of if you ever come visit us. You HAVE to say “bonjour/bonsoir” before you speak, then “bonne journée” when the conversation ends. Yes, even to waiters, supermarket cashiers or if you just want to bum a smoke off a stranger. It is Done.)

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The French invented the glory hole?
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Not sure, but we did invent sex so it’s possible.

I’m a lover of France – a bit less so, of the inhabitants; the country seems to come up with more than its fair share of snotty, obnoxious folk (though in my experience, not so much that these are in the majority). Transport strikes are IMO a bit of “a hazard going with the territory” – a slight “Russian roulette” element that goes therewith – but when things are running OK, I find travel in France, a delight.

A French journey which I would recommend, is on the 63km-long electric narrrow-gauge railway at the Mediterranean end of the Pyrenees, just north of the Spanish border, running from Villefranche-Vernet-les-Bains to La Tour de Carol. Runs through the mountains on a mind-blowingly precipitous and spectacular course. Unfortunately, this line has a reputation for rather often letting travellers down, with frequent short-notice suspension of services – not about labour troubles; just things non-deliberately going wrong, with perhaps insufficient back-up measures against such occurrences. I travelled on this line a couple of years ago – had a nail-biting couple of hours with the only train which would have done for my purposes, being threatened with cancellation – happily, it ultimately ran. A trip which I would readily suggest to anyone, if they can cope with the potential “suspense factor”.

Born in raised in Cleveland Ohio. Spent time on the east and west coasts. Most of the anti-french sentiment in the US is hard to swallow because it’s not based on first hand immersion experience, and sometimes no experience at all, just stereotypes.

On the other hand, I’ve never really been a violent person. I’ve never wanted to hit people. Until I moved to France. Lyon is bad, too, maybe even worse than Paris for an expat, because they are less welcoming of foreigners (apart the student population, but when you are in your teens and early 20s, from my first-hand experience, you notice the impoliteness less, somehow. I believe it’s because you are part of a different category and are therefore judged differently.)

I went to the country for a month this summer, a village I’ve gone to since I was little. I felt a lot better because I was like, “oh, it’s not that I dislike most french people, I dislike most city french people.” Also went to port leucate (not far from perpignan), wonderful. I think the small cities are better and the southern ones although I don’t have first-hand experience yet, really. Couple days in Nice were ok.

I had the thought that if I stay in this country at some point I was going to get assaulted and at some point commit assault. (I repeat - I NEVER had these kind of impulses before). So some girl decided to hit me in the face with her umbrella. (She was trying to push me out of the way when I had a lot of bags and was right in front of the metro door and I stood my ground). So I’ve been assaulted. I am seriously considering moving to Germany despite the colder climate and needing to learn German because I do not like the way I have these violent feelings from so much rudeness. Realistically, I will probably move to a smaller village or at least a smaller city south.

It seems the french love to stress each other out. They seem to love to wait in line. I understand there are certain questions of labor being expensive in this country but at the same time people stand around at work everywhere I see talking all the time. The bureaucracy gives you 5 different answers to the same question and seems designed to delay the proceedings. It took me 7 years!!! to get my citizenship papers and I have been trying to do a specific file since June with the french social security (all my stuff was done) and was only able to turn it in in September! I’ll have the answer Nov. 1st. All this delay at great cost to the social security system. I don’t get it.

I tried, well, not being mean, but holding my ground, and I got hit in the face.

I am now experimenting with sarcasm, outright eye-rolling and sighing (never done this type of behaviour ‘out-loud’ in my life - sooo impolite!) and it actually seems to be working quite well. Especially with female shop keepers. They pull attitude, I respond with fiercer attitude, and most of the time the relationship will become lovely after than and we will even talk. It’s just exhausting. I don’t understand, even french people have confirmed to me that the french go out of their way to annoy other people. *rant :stuck_out_tongue:

That was fascinating.

Ah bon? Qu’est ce qui vous a le plus frappé?

Perhaps it’s just me, but as a general rule I only apply for citizenship in countries I don’t hate.

You were in the way. You don’t consider that just a teeeeeeeny bit rude as fuck?

Are you sure you weren’t in England? I thought it was the Brits who are champion queuers.

Stewers, too.

+1

In my (admittedly very limited) experience, pulling attitude is the French customer-service tactic for weeding out the weaklings and the frivolous early in the process.

The default response to requests is a brusque “C’est pas possible”. Pushing back against that is how you signal your intention to get a serious discussion or negotiation started.

This is admittedly somewhat exasperating and incomprehensible for us Americans with our expectation of customer-service attitudes saturated with synthetic friendliness and eagerness to please (which doesn’t necessarily mean that we’ll be able to get the particular service we’re looking for, but at least we’ll be flatteringly deferred to while the rep tries to sell us a different service that we don’t want).

Not that I’m knocking synthetic friendliness from American customer-service reps, mind you; after weeks or months of stern jousting with French ones, it can be tremendously refreshing.

They are a funny race.

Back to the OP.

Does France have an equivalent to Hotels.com where guests can leave comments on hotels, restaurants, and other public accommodations?

You know that was six years ago, right?

Yes. It’s called Hotels.com.

Only been to Paris once. Most people were super nice to me, even though my French is pretty bad. I did notice that people tended to not be so couteous on the sidewalk and would never move even a little, always expectiing me too. I got sick of it and just started shoulder checking people, which seemed to help.

Grrr.

Does it have a website?

I find the same phenomenon in Manhattan, Chicago, Seattle, and downtown Portland.

It’s almost as if people are assholes, regardless of where they’re from.