So you’re saying that AngryIrishLass’s broad brush strokes of all Americans traveling in the UK and France are assholes is perfectly acceptable, but me saying I dislike the French and don’t want to go back there is not acceptable?
Not really, thanks - seem to be fine.
Thanks. Glad at least someone got that it was at least partially a joke.
For the record: the things I was really serious about:
Ho-kay?
She didn’t say that. She said “The only assholes I met in both the UK and France were Americans.” There’s a huge difference between saying that, and saying “all Americans traveling in the UK and France are assholes”. Can you not see the difference?
She also slagged off an Italian. Do you interpret this as a “broad brush stroke” too?
Semantics. Operative word - AN versus ONLY. In other words (free translation) - “I met one Italian, out of many, who was an asshole. On the other hand, every single American I met was an asshole.”
Are you unable to see the brush strokes being applied in this case?
Further free translation (from her to me) - “You’re an American living in England, traveling in France, therefore you’re an asshole, because every American I’ve ever met who travels in the UK or France is an asshole.”
So, as my Australian mates say, a hearty ‘git facked’ to her.
That’s a lot of extrapolation and inference - and ignorning what was actually said. I refer you back to ascenray’s “logic 101” post about Jamie Oliver.
What, the fallacious logic part, or the part where ascenray calls on imaginary groupthink (who is ‘we’?) to bolster his/her argument? Or maybe the part where he/she attributes statements to me I did not make?
Here’s the post, for the record:
Provably true statement. He is from England, born and raised, and is a practicing chef. This is not a proposition, this is a true statement.
Fallacious and not my conclusion at all. I said that Jamie Oliver would likely enjoy me saying that I liked his cooking style, as well as liking the resurgence of good English cooking in gastropubs, which he played a fairly large part in. Liking or disliking French cuisine would likely matter less to him, and ascenray made up out of whole cloth any assertion on my part that Jamie Oliver (or anyone else for that matter) would fully support my analysis of French cuisine, which was never something I said.
I would add that my statements about pride and poverty driving French cuisine quoted were supported by ascenray him/herself in other posts citing Anthony Bourdain as agreeing with my premise (stating all nation’s cuisine was driven by this), so I fail to see how this is a topic of dissension or logical debate.
Happy now?
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
That’s the mountains of Spain crying, why are you being nasty to our mountains? There, there…
(Andorra has better mountains than we do, but don’t tell ours)
I think I can see a possible reason why GomiBoy had some problems with people.
He’s a fucking gobshite who thinks that he’s always right and can’t be corrected. He also seems to have quite a high level of self entitlement.
Fuck him, I wouldn’t bother if I was you.
GomiBoy, I for one have enjoyed your rant immensely!
Fuck the French!
Fuck the Fun Police too!
Fuck Logic, it’s a rant!
:smack:
The scales have fallen from my eyes.
Thank you, brother.
[QUOTE=GomiBoy]
. I think Angua and Chowder got that it was a bit tongue in cheek
What? you weren’t serious?
Dagnabbit 
Since you can’t debate the arguments, attack the person right?
There there, I didn’t mean to insult Spanish mountains. I have loved nearly all of my travels to Spain and it’s mountains (except one business trip to Madrid, and that was solely because the work sucked everything else was great!). The Pyrennes are great!
I know the mountains are lovely, and I know the skiing is good. I’m so sorry, I didn’t mean to insult anyone but the French and a slowly growing list of assholes. 
You Latins are so bloody sensitive. Forget to be nice to them one little time… grumble grumble
[puts another notch in the ‘gets it’ column]
That would work, if the whole thing wasn’t about people, and their interactions - which it is, and was from the very start.
This thread started out by diving right in at the deep end of Ad Hominem - it’s a little late to be trying to turn it into a scholarly discussion.
Scholarly discussion in The Pit? :dubious:
Come, come old chap
There is no debate. You’re a gobshite, of that there is no doubt. Since you only argue your POV and not the actual words that were posted there’s no point in that debate either.
Also as you have said, this is the PIT. I don’t have to debate. I can however insult your opinions and on-line personality. You are making that quite easy I have to say.
Well, exactly, which makes it just plain stupid to be bleating about ad hominem.
So let me see:
Sorry, how’s that last one go again?
I’m certainly not attempting to turn this into a scholarly discussion, especially not here of all places - you wrestle with pigs and all you get is muddy. And I’m not asking for civility - I posted in the Pit because I wanted to rant. I wanted to insult people who disagreed. I even wanted to be insulted back. Because it’s entertaining, which in the end is why most people go online to places like this, and because it helps me blow off my frustrations. YMMV.
Oh, and Yojimbo - insult away, cousin. My persona ain’t me, and I know you’re unable to actually argue on merit, so it’s all water off a duck’s back as far as I’m concerned. But don’t expect me or anyone else to take you seriously if you can’t marshal a reasonable argument with or without the capacity to insult people personally, you pathetic wanker.
Forget the rant and the blowback. What’s important is the skiing. Tell us about the skiing.