She showed her true character. She lost because her facade was thin, it wasn’t hard to turn people against her.
See, I see it differently; I think the reason she lost was because she never let the public have these Howard Stern moments. She’s too mother fucking cautious!
That said, I’m not her. I haven’t been stalked by frothing right wing nutcrackers for 3 decades. So I kinda get why she’s wired that way. I think she actually had that kind of awareness, that she was being too wooden and academic. I think a part of her wanted to release the other more personable Hillary that her intimates see up close. Her biggest mistake - her single biggest error - was assuming that Trump was so flawed that he couldn’t win. She assumed the public would be judicious enough to choose substance over buffoonery. We weren’t that substantive though. We failed her. We failed ourselves.
So, you do think she was a phony. That was certainly part of it.
She was always that way, and that gave the right wing nutcrackers an easy target. And she never minded using cutthroat politics against her opponents. I’d quote Harry Truman about people who can’t stand the heat but then someone will call me a misogynist.
And yet, she got more votes for POTUS than anybody not named Barack Obama.
I mean, yes, there were issues with the campaign, but the way people carry on, it’s like they think she lost in a massive landslide and her campaign was a top to bottom clusterfuck. That’s just totally at odds with reality, which was a solid majority of the overall popular vote featuring a margin of ~80-100k votes distributed in the right way for an electoral college loss.
The reactions here and elsewhere are closer in line with how Donald Trump would describe the election than what it was, a combination of not the strongest (but still reasonably strong) campaigner, a decades long coordinated smear campaign by Republicans, the (unwitting and inept) malfeasance of the FBI (especially James Comey), and a dedicated effort by a foreign power to interfere in our elections to their own benefit - and even with all that, she won the popular vote by a solid margin, which still irks Trump to no end.
ETA: Oh, and a consequence of our antiquated electoral system, which can see somebody lose by millions of overall votes but win the Presidency by virtue of several thin majorities in the right handful of states.
Agree.
And has yet to accept any responsibility, which is also at odds with reality.
This. Thank you!
Each eligible human who failed to vote for the OBVIOUSLY better candidate in Nov. 2016 is to blame, period.
I don’t get why this is so hard.
I’m trying to find your “reality” and I keep getting a 404 error.
When a simple google search for “Hillary Clinton my fault” turns up “I feel a terrible sense of responsibility for not having figured out how to defeat this person. There must have been a way and I didn’t find it.” in under 30 seconds, you’d be hard pressed to claim “has yet to accept any responsibility” with a straight face and even a modicum of awareness.
I wrote: “Each eligible human who failed to vote for the OBVIOUSLY better candidate in Nov. 2016 is to blame, period.”
I don’t get why this is so hard.”
No, I don’t mean that in any partisan or even party-policy way. I wouldn’t have said the same about Gore and Bush, nor Kerry and Bush, nor McCain and Obama, nor Romney and Obama. I’m talking OBVIOUS, by every objective measure known to mankind.
About a hundred million Americans must share the blame. They are GUILTY. Don’t try to put this on Comey, or Sanders, or “the Russians,” or the pollsters, or Hillary’s campaign strategists. Or Hillary.
None of that crap should have moved a single person to fail in their OBVIOUS duty. They FAILED on their own, each one of them.
Why would anyone blame Hillary? If Trump ran against a steaming turd, anyone who failed to vote for the steaming turd would be equally GUILTY.
I want Medicare For All. I am somebody. Your post is thus refuted.
Sanders did not concede when it became apparent he didn’t win. He pushed conspiracy theory bullshit about the elections being rigged, echoing the exact same rhetoric as his opponent.
It is foolish to argue this didn’t hurt Clinton. Was it enough to change the Electoral College vote? Maybe, maybe not. But there’s a reason why you’re not supposed to do these sorts of things. At the end of the day, if you’re on the Democratic side, then it’s better for the Democrat to win, even if you yourself can’t. Their values will more closely align with yours than the opposition.
There’s nothing at all wrong with Clinton saying this. It would be one thing if she were not asked and it came out of nowhere. But she was asked a question, and she answered it. And, Bernie Bro or not, we’re seeing people who are freaking out that she dared say something negative about Sanders.
I also hope that he doesn’t pull the same shit again. No more claiming that things are rigged against him. No more floating Trump’s conspiracy theories. No more making people think that their voice doesn’t matter. No more sticking around to keep the party divided after there is a clear winner and we need to be working on a coalition.
Hopefully he realizes the mistakes he made in the past and has learned from them.
Makes me wonder what their cut is off the top?
You have it 180 degrees wrong, My Friend. I was refuting the idea of sexualizing her in the simplest, politest way I could.
But since this is the Pit. Go Fuck Yourself, you self-righteous Asshole.
Is it Two-Minute Hate time again? That’s always fun for the whole family.
A hell of a lot less that Trump takes. I doubt they take any at all.
Posts 7 & 14: “I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. I take responsibility for all of them.”
Your last response made it look like you thought Clinton hadn’t accept any responsibility, when instead you were actually piling onto the crowd that thinks that way. Or at least, I think that’s how Chisquirrel took it.
OMG Big T, I never thought of that before
Bernie: I lost because the Democratic primaries are rigged.
Hillary and most Democrats: Hey toughen up buttercup, that the game we’re playing. You knew the rules.
Later
Hillary and most Democrats: We lost because the Electoral College is rigged.
Ah, okay.
I was agreeing with you and taking your comment a step further: it’s like they think her campaign was a top to bottom clusterfuck and has yet to take any responsibility for the supposed clusterfuck. IOW: “Still trying to blame anyone but herself for losing to Trump.”
Uh, not quite.
It’s true Sanders and his supporters were making noise about the system itself not being equitable.
But they didn’t stop there. They were buying into conspiracy theory glurge about actually winning majorities they didn’t and shenanigans with votes cast. They were all for the vote totals in the primaries … until they fell behind. Then they put their money on the superdelegates … until they fell behind in those votes, too. Many of them put their cards on claiming outright fraud on the part of the DNC on delegate votes.
The Democrats do have similar complaints about the system not being equitable but with the exception of fringy loons they haven’t claimed widespread fraud and hidden uncounted votes. They generally accept they lost the election while winning the popular vote. Many would like to change the electoral college system, but they aren’t claiming the actual electoral votes were illegitimate, as many Sanders voters do about delegate votes. They’re leaving the voter fraud stuff to Trump, who, despite winning the election, still has a hard-on for “proving” he actually won the popular vote.
Ralph Wiggum/Inanimate Carbon Rod 2020!
Is Vermin Supreme still running? either are better than Sunkist-Boy…