Fuck New York, Fuck New Yorkers, and Fuck the Subway Series!!!!!!

[stuyguy]

Gee, TUT, you’ve insulted my hometown and my ethnic heritage. That’s not very nice.

Still, I hate the BBQ Pit, and watching people beat each other up. So, even though you started this squabble, I will not join in this barroom melee by breaking a balsawood chair over your head while Ukelele Ike obliviously plays tonky-tonk piano and drags on his cigarette.

I will say that, despite all your foul language and extremeism, you make a few sound observations (confusing Queens layout, bad drivers, full-of-themselves people, etc.) in your OP. And there are thousands of kneejerk NYC apologists who will defend anything in the name of hometown honor; IMHO, they are just as biased as you, refusing to see the bad things, the way you refuse to see the good.

But, if you have any real open mind about this topic, I’ve got a few suggestions for you. I’ve learned that when you travel to a new place, to get the most from the experience, you should experience it on its terms, not yours. Don’t bring your smaller-town expectations – about traffic, and natives, and ethnic groups – with you. Come with an open mind, or frankly, don’t come at all. (I didn’t mean that as a snipe, incidentally; I just meant, why bother coming if you want everything to be exactly like it is at home?)

I was very amused by the whole John Rocker thing. The funny thing was that John Rocker was exactly right in his description of the #7 train. Rocker’s crime wasn’t that he described it wrong, but that he implied that, because the #7 is different from what he’s used to, it was a bad thing.

TUT, when “doing” NYC, it helps a lot if you’ve got a native who knows his/her shit to show you around. I’ll even volunteer if I’m free next time you’re in town. (No kidding.)
Oh, and friedo, Manhattan is bigger than ten square miles; more like 26ish.

[theuglytruth]

*Originally posted by Alphagene *
**ugly’s last post required me to press my PageDown key twenty times. **

And it was worth every click, trust me.

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Not that I actually read it. **

It’s not my fault you own a cheap computer and it froze up.

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His original “Vinnie and Guido” comment was enough for me.
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What makes you think just because someone is named Vinnie or Guido that they are Italian? Who is stereotyping now?

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We Italians singlehandedly pulled all of Europe up out of the dark ages and this is the thanks we get?
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Sorry about that. Thank you for Machiavelli, Mussolini, Borgia and Dean Martin. Great contributions.

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Perhaps if ugly lived in a town with as many cultural events, points of interest, historical landmarks and varied shopping districts as NYC, he wouldn’t have time to write a post that approaches the Koran in total length.
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Actually my last post was only 1/2 the length of the Koran, but I will try harder just for you.

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I, for one, would like to hear the details about the sordid little burg that ugly lives in. You got any stoplights?
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You just want to find out where I live so that one of these criminal New Yorkers can break into my house and steal my TV set. No thanks.

But just for your information, not only do we have stoplights where we live, but nice freindly folks as well. Just like me.

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[theuglytruth]

*Originally posted by stuyguy *
**Gee, TUT, you’ve insulted my hometown and my ethnic heritage. That’s not very nice.

TUT, when “doing” NYC, it helps a lot if you’ve got a native who knows his/her shit to show you around. I’ll even volunteer if I’m free next time you’re in town. (No kidding.)

Oh, and friedo, Manhattan is bigger than ten square miles; more like 26ish.
**

You actually sound like the first New Yorker to respond to the post that has a brain. Thanks for the offer, though I don’t plan on coming back.

See? I just want to bring people closer together. Is that so wrong?

[Eve]

While everyone else is defending NY, may I jump in here for Northern NJ? Yes, the Turnpike is hellish; ALL turnpikes are hellish. And yes, it does go through some bad, smelly industrial areas: it goes through the whole state, and not ALL of NY is pristine!

But if you actually did go by the Meadowlands, you must have been smelling something in your own car. That is a lovely, landscaped area, parts of which actually look like the English countryside in a Gainsborough painting. And—while driving about looking for your on-ramp—you might have looked around at some Northern NJ towns like Rutherford, Lyndhurst, Montclair, which are some of the quaintest (and cleanest) in the U.S.!

—“The Joisey Tomato”

[RosieWolf]

Hey Mr. TheUglyTruth…

After seeing all the posts from the friendly New Yorkers around here, I fully understand why you feel as you do. I can’t share your sentiments because I’ve never been to New York.

Doesn’t it just tickle you how several have asked WHY you went to New York, yet in the first line of your post, you state " just got back from a business trip to New York". And they called ‘you’ an idiot? HAHAHA

I am confused about something though. The NY’ers claim they don’t drive, they use mass transit or take cabs/taxi’s. Ok, so if NY’ers are too smart to drive, then why all the traffic jams on the streets?? JUST WHO is daring to drive there without a NY Native’s permission??? Damm, next time you should ask here first for someone to pay for your plane/train ticket to the Big City, instead of spending money on gas for your car.

When you were lost in Queens, did you spot ‘Archie Bunker’? Apparently he’s been on his computer, posting on this message board since you left NY. LOL

[vix]

*Originally posted by theuglytruth *
I just want to bring people closer together. Is that so wrong?

Oh, for the love of Pete!

Personally, this (Italian) gal is thrilled that she just moved to New York, 'cause, among other wonders, it guarantees that I’ll be farther away from the likes of you. :rolleyes:

Hello, new neighbors!

[cleosia]

rosiewolf

After seeing all the posts from the friendly New Yorkers around here, I fully understand why you feel as you do.

I find it a little naive to expect friendliness from people whose hometown was just shredded.

[jesuslynch]

Oh this is beautiful!

Ugly and Rosie sitting in a tree…

[friedo]

Originally posted by theuglytruth

I’d love to take the subway. It’s the muggings, the homeless people, the drug addicts, the pushy people fighting for a seat, and the graffiti I don’t like.

Not that it is any of your business, but if you must know I had no choice but to drive. I had appointments on Long Island asd Northern New Jersey. Let me guess, you need to take mass transit to get there too.

Yes, there are homeless people in the subway. I’m sorry you might have to see those icky little vermin! God forbid you should have to deal with reality once in a while. Don’t worry, they don’t bite. I haven’t seen graffiti on a subway car in years and years. And I haven’t heard of a mugging down there in quite a while, either. I imagine they happen as often as muggings happen in any large city.

Originally posted by theuglytruth
Great. So to you, culture is some homeless bum panhandling quarters by banging on garbage cans. Thank you, you’ve told me all I need to know.

Once again, you have demonstrated that you have no idea what you’re talking about. The musicians who perform in the subway stations are professionals who audition with Music Under New York, a city run agency, for a spot to play. Incidentally, that “bum panhandling quarters” has been in commercials, movies, and has toured with Stomp.

Originally posted by theugytruth
Not that it is any of your business, but if you must know I had no choice but to drive. I had appointments on Long Island asd Northern New Jersey. Let me guess, you need to take mass transit to get there too.

Driving in the burbs is much easier, but you CAN take the :Long Island Rail Road, which has branches that go to almost every town on the island, Metro-North Railroad, which goes to every town in Westchester County and up into Connecticut, as well. Or the PATH trains, which will get you to lower New Jersey. Metro-North also operates a couple lines in Jersey. NYC has one of the most sophisticated public transportation networks in the world.

But you knew all that, of course.

Originally posted by theuglytruth
You just want to find out where I live so that one of these criminal New Yorkers can break into my house and steal my TV set. No thanks.

Heh. I’m going to let that one speak for itself.

[tradesilicon]

Man. You missed the point. You went to NY and did not get a hot dog? You were in Queens and did not stop in Brighton Beach for the Pelmeni? Shit, you were in Manhattan and did not go to China Grill? And your insulting New Yorkers? What, you went to a major city and got stuck in traffic? Ooooooooh.

I absolutely love going to N.Y. Incredible amount of stuff to do for all tastes and budgets. Brooklyn is great, so is Manhattan, and I know I have only scratched the surface on my visits. Living in NYC may be too hectic for me, but I’ll always be glad to visit.

New Yorkers have been anything from most friendly to simply apathetic, but very few times did I actually run into anyone being an ass just because. Save a few union guys at expos, everyone is as everyone should be.

The ugly truth is you just don’t know how to travel.
BTW, I have driven through most parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, and on other trips through Jersey - no problems, not after S.F. Bay area driving.

[kjorsty]

i loved New York when i visited. seattle’s (i live t/here) transportation system sucks compared to New York’s, and anyone who takes one step onto the streets of New York can easily recognize the fact that driving there is near impossible. you want to get somewhere, hop on the fucking subway. not to mention i had to ask directions from multiple people, and they were all nice and gave me accurate directions (okay, so i was half a block away from MOMA, but i couldn’t see it. i had to admit defeat.). they all had a great sense of humor, too. yeah, the cabbies were scary, but aren’t all cabbies scary? most of the cabbies were nice. plus, i wouldn’t judge a city by it’s sports fans - especially during a big sports event. (now, since the Mariner’s lost to the Yankmees, i guess i’ll have to root for them. sigh)

you want to visit a city full of nitwits, come to seattle. we’ve got a fairly lousy transportation system, and the people are generally rude and not friendly. we cry when the big mean scary yankmees come to town. i live here because i love the northwest and there’s some fun stuff going on in seattle and lots of outdoor stuff to do outside of it. i would never live in NYC because there is just too damn much concrete (and pollution), but visiting would be nice. i had a great time and i would definitely go back. not to mention you can’t find a good cup o’ coffee anywhere.

of course, there’s no talking sense into someone who’s made up there mind to hate something.

[RosieWolf]

*Originally posted by cleosia *
**I find it a little naive to expect friendliness from people whose hometown was just shredded. **

OH I see. Feelings were hurt, so instead of finding out what went wrong, they slam the OP, call him stupid (among the kinder terms), and tell him never come back. Yes, makes sense to me.

[friedo]

*Originally posted by RosieWolf *
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*Originally posted by cleosia *
**I find it a little naive to expect friendliness from people whose hometown was just shredded. **

OH I see. Feelings were hurt, so instead of finding out what went wrong, they slam the OP, call him stupid (among the kinder terms), and tell him never come back. Yes, makes sense to me.

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Rosie, there’s a difference between legitimate complaints and stupid, mindless, prejudicial and overgeneralized attacks. TUT wasn’t voicing a legitimate complains, he was vocally attacking all of New York and New Yorkers.

Not that I would expect you to understand the difference, either, as you have aptly and repeatedly demonstrated your mental defficiencies in that regard.

[Alphagene]

In some ways this thread is kind of fun since its TUT making the ususal ass out of himself. So we get to watch the SDMB (NYers and non-NYers alike) rip hip an new one almost in unison.

But his recent posts have included flat out personal insults. My cheap computer, my lousy heritage. Hell, maybe I’m just noticing the ones he said about me. But as I have made clear before, baseless cheap insults are not welcome in the pit.

If you can avoid further personal attacks, ugly, then your thread may remain open. Otherwise it’ll sink faster than a Gambino with cement shoes in the East River.

[Coldfire]

*Originally posted by theuglytruth *
**Don’t worry about me coming over. Europe is such a wnderful place to visit- crappy plumbing, shitty TV, genocide, a falling Euro, etc… I’ll stick right here in the Good 'Ol US of A. There is a reason why more Europeans migrate to the U.S. then vice versa you know.

Fortunately, we are smart enough to dump most of you welfare leeches right where you all belong- New York!**

Crappy plumbing? Well, I don’t have to race cousin Lurlene to the outhouse when I want to take a crap.

Shitty TV? I’d say the only shitty TV is the American series that are being transplanted here by the American broadcasting companies that own a lot of networks here. But not all of the American series are bad, some are actually quite good.
See how easy it is to avoid a dumb generalisation?

Genocide? I’m sure you’re referring to the former Yugoslavia or something. That was indeed a Pan-European problem :rolleyes:

Falling Euro? Be happy! Your dollar will be worth more when you visit!

The Europeans that migrate to the US these days are mostly highly educated professionals (like myself, actually) who have equally highly paid jobs. Welfare leaches? Damn, I’m not even American, and I seem to know what a Green Card is. Why aren’t you aware of it?

I have no idea whether or not there are more Europeans migrating to the US than vice versa, but I’d like to see some evidence that backs up that claim of yours.

Unless you’re truly convinced they’re all sick and tired of scooping shit off the toilet floor after flushing, what with our poor plumbing and all.

On a final note: if you’re white, your roots probably lie in Europe somewhere. Why abandond them so easily? You might actually LEARN something when you investigate them, you know.

[friedo]

*Originally posted by Coldfire *

The Europeans that migrate to the US these days are mostly highly educated professionals (like myself, actually) who have equally highly paid jobs. Welfare leaches? Damn, I’m not even American, and I seem to know what a Green Card is. Why aren’t you aware of it?

I have no idea whether or not there are more Europeans migrating to the US than vice versa, but I’d like to see some evidence that backs up that claim of yours.

Unless you’re truly convinced they’re all sick and tired of scooping shit off the toilet floor after flushing, what with our poor plumbing and all.

On a final note: if you’re white, your roots probably lie in Europe somewhere. Why abandond them so easily? You might actually LEARN something when you investigate them, you know.

See, this is why so many European people hate Americans. The only ones who make any noise are stupid ass dipshits who love to spew ignorant stereotypes, like theuglymoron.

Coldy, please put in a good word for the dozen or so of us that aren’t complete tools.

[RosieWolf]

*Originally posted by friedo

Coldy, please put in a good word for the dozen or so of us that aren’t complete tools. :)*

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. Finally, someone who gets it and will admit it.

[theuglytruth]

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*Originally posted by RosieWolf *
**Hey Mr. TheUglyTruth… **

Doesn’t it just tickle you how several have asked WHY you went to New York, yet in the first line of your post, you state " just got back from a business trip to New York". And they called ‘you’ an idiot? HAHAHA

It’s amazing, isn’t it? I only explained myself about four or five times.

I am confused about something though. The NY’ers claim they don’t drive, they use mass transit or take cabs/taxi’s. Ok, so if NY’ers are too smart to drive, then why all the traffic jams on the streets?? JUST WHO is daring to drive there without a NY Native’s permission???

Well, of course it’s yokels and hicks like us clogging up New York’s roadways, not the 8 million people that live there, right?

**When you were lost in Queens, did you spot ‘Archie Bunker’? Apparently he’s been on his computer, posting on this message board since you left NY. LOL
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Actually, Archie Bunker is considered an intellectual in New York.

[theuglytruth]

*Originally posted by jesuslynch *
**Oh this is beautiful!

Ugly and Rosie sitting in a tree… **

Brilliant deduction. Because someone agrees with my point of view, that means we are having sex.

I thought of that argument when I was in fourth grade too.

[theuglytruth]

*Originally posted by friedo *
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Originally posted by theuglytruth

I’d love to take the subway. It’s the muggings…I had appointments on Long Island asd Northern New Jersey. Let me guess, you need to take mass transit to get there too.

I haven’t seen graffiti on a subway car in years and years. And I haven’t heard of a mugging down there in quite a while, either. I imagine they happen as often as muggings happen in any large city.**

Hahahahaha! No graffitti? BULLSHIT!

You are right, there are no more muggings in the subway. Just people being pushed in front of trains and molotov cocktails being thrown in subway toll booths.

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Originally posted by theuglytruth
Great. So to you, culture is some homeless bum panhandling quarters by banging on garbage cans. Thank you, you’ve told me all I need to know.

Once again, you have demonstrated that you have no idea what you’re talking about. The musicians who perform in the subway stations are professionals who audition with Music Under New York, a city run agency, for a spot to play. Incidentally, that “bum panhandling quarters” has been in commercials, movies, and has toured with Stomp. **
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Stomp. No THERE’S an artform. What is New York going to subsidize next, that guy in San Fransisco who hides behind tree branches and scares people for quarters? Why not invite him over with all the other deadbeats as well?

**Originally posted by theugytruth
Not that it is any of your business, but if you must know I had no choice but to drive. I had appointments on Long Island asd Northern New Jersey. Let me guess, you need to take mass transit to get there too.

Driving in the burbs is much easier, but you CAN take the :Long Island Rail Road, which has branches that go to almost every town on the island, Metro-North Railroad, which goes to every town in Westchester County and up into Connecticut, as well. Or the PATH trains, which will get you to lower New Jersey. Metro-North also operates a couple lines in Jersey. NYC has one of the most sophisticated public transportation networks in the world.

But you knew all that, of course.**

Sounds like WAAAAY too much work to me. I don’t seem to have as big a problem in any other city, except LA.