Fuck off brother. I didn't kill my son

OK, it didn’t work the first time, but I think I got it fixed.

The story is too long and too complex. How to begin? He’s mentally ill but won’t be treated. He’s homeless by choice. He refuses to work. He owns three vehicles, including an Audi, and lives off money which he has manipulated my mother into giving him monthly. He eats at soup kitchens and showers at a university gym. In his youth, he molested a girl and a dozen years ago, stalked a woman for a while. He had delusions that he knows how to design a new airplane which will make him millions and millions. Completely socially inept. Manipulative. He destroys his and others’ properties. He’s burned his own money to prove a point. He’s slowly killing my mother with stress and, in the words of my BIL, “sucking the life force out of her.” He latches onto people like a pit bull, and refuses to let go of conversations or let others talk.

This is the email which started this. Please note that he can’t spell, so guess as well as you can. I’ll just call him my fucking younger brother (FYB).

As FYB notes, I was not divorced when TW and I started living together. However, I had been legally separated from my previous wife for more than four year. In Japan, it’s almost impossible for people to get divorces if both parties don’t agree. I know people who have been through the courts for years and years before finally getting a divorce. In my case, my attorney had advised waiting a while before filing, since the courts will sometimes grant divorces after a number of years of separation. It wasn’t an issue before I had met TW and we decided we wanted to get married. I immediately started the legal process in place, which was hastened with the news of our unplanned but not unwanted pregnancy. There were a few tense moments before my ex-wife finally agreed to a settlement. TW and I were living together, so she wasn’t going to be a “single mother” in anything but the narrowest legal terms.

FYB has bipolar, for which he refuses treatment, including medication and counseling.

Gosh, that must have been tough on you. The pain a parent feels must pale in comparison.

Saying that Mom is stressing is an understatement. Her heath is getting worse, and she says she’s getting a relapse of chronic fatigue syndrome, which she says comes from dealing with FYB. Several of our aunts have voiced their concerns about her stress level and her health, and have noticed it comes from him.

Not that we are going to try to manipulate people or anything, now are we?

The “butting heads” remark above concerned his attempts to have me give him money, in addition to the money Mom gives him. I offered to pay him to do yard work or volunteer work but he refused.

This email came on same day we lost the pregnancy. I was really, really worn out, and really concerned about my Mom. It seemed like she was on the edge of a breakdown and I was going to try to get her to fly out and stay with my sister for a couple of weeks, just to run away from FYB, and to recover somewhat.

My response

He came back with this gem:

I told him the conversation just ended. His response:

I’ve blocked further emails from him. Even though he doesn’t read this, I’ll write an open letter to him.

You fucking miserable piece of shit. How dare you tell me that I’m responsible for Ian’s death. First, your “reasoning” sucks and second, even if it were true, which it is not, how the fuck do you think it would do anyone any good to tell them they killed their child?

But more than that, it’s time to leave Mom alone. If anyone is killing anyone else, it’s you that is killing Mom.

Yup, we know that you are bipolar. Yup, we know that you have very, very serious problems. But, my younger brother, you choose to not treat your illness and you intentionally shit all over our mother, because she feels too guilty and too weak to [del]tell you to fuck off[/del]set limits with you.

So, god knows I’ve tried to help. I won’t just give you money, because that’s the same as pouring a beer for an alcoholic. Mom may be an enabler but I won’t. Lighting a bonfire with the cash would be as meaningful, a lot more fun and would be cheaper, since I wouldn’t have to pay international transfer fees.

Mom may give you a monthly allowance so you can keep your three vehicles, including your Audi, but I won’t, especially since you refuse to do even the tinniest bit to help yourself. As you’ve made it perfectly clear, you won’t work, and you want someone to support you. That someone is not me. I’ve offered to pay you to work, $10 an hour to help relatives around their houses. I’ve also offered to pay for counseling and an attorney to file for bankruptcy or to apply for disability. But nope, you only want cash and I won’t do that.

OK, having a terrible sickness isn’t fun. Since your first psychotic episode in your teens, it’s not been easy. Life isn’t fair, and countless others who have similar or worse disabilities would agree with you. However, that doesn’t give you the right to shit all over everyone else or provide you with an endless supply of *Get Out of Jail For Free *cards. Mom carves in to you, and this is why I pit you. You’re killing her.

Older Sister (OS) and I have tried again and again and again to get Mom to set limits with you. OS flew into town to kick you out of the house when Mom left on her mission – when the city was fining her $25 a day before your junk cars where in the driveway and you refused to do anything about it.

Mom won’t even discuss cutting your funding let alone try it. She feels a prisoner in her own home because you show up and talk at her for hours. She says the stress of listening to you is causing physical pain…

How many of Mom’s phones have you smashed over the years? Twenty? Thirty? How much other damage have you caused?

I’m sorry that you are sick. I really wish that you weren’t. But if you won’t get treatment, then all I can do is limit how much pain you can cause me. Thus, I will not allow you to contact me.

While I call you a stupid piece of shit, it’s really not you, it’s your sickness that I hate. I care more about you than you can image. I’ve tried so hard to help, but there’s a limit to what’s possible, and I’m out of energy. I’ll work on helping Mom.

When you run out of money or run into other problem, you threaten to kill yourself. As Older Sister told you when you tried that line on her, “if you kill yourself, I’ll see you in the next life.”

He’s an asshole for doing this to you and your mother. I’ve dealt with a couple diagnosed-bipolar people before, and often everything is “all about them.” That’s why he was talking about how much Ian’s death hurt him and so on. He’s trying to push every button that he can find in order to get you to give him money.

I understand he’s probably terrified at the thought of being cut off from his source of support, but he can’t keep doing this to your mother. I have a sister-in-law who’s been drinking to excess and abusing drugs since before her teenage years, doctor-shopping to get prescription painkillers, etc. She shops all of her disability money away, is unable to find a single job that she can manage to do after sustaining a minor back injury nearly two decades ago, and frequently finds herself in financial trouble and/or trouble with the law for drinking/attacking a boyfriend/disturbing the peace/etc. At one point, she was going to be evicted from her apartment and came running to her father. Not wanting to put her up in his own house this time (with 3 spare bedrooms in it), he tried to get my husband and I to put her up in our unfinished, unheated basement because that’d “teach her” or something. Not only do we rent this place and so we can’t just bring in a new person, but that place also had no toilet or shower, and no kitchen. Considering her history of stealing from her parents and siblings, we didn’t dare let her in our house during the day either. I flipped and absolutely refused. Later on, my father-in-law was going on and on about how we might as well just be handing her a gun to kill herself, but we stood firm. Rather than let her hit rock bottom, though, he did the usual and bailed her out of her jam. She’s never going to worry about looking after her finances or stopping drinking and drugs if she knows people will take care of her problems for her.

It’s similar with your brother. Your mother loves him, yes, but she’s got to let him take care of himself. He needs to get help so that he can be functional, and so that his behavior will stop wrecking your mother’s health and happiness.

Your mother also has to suck it up and be strong, for her sake and his. Does she realize she’s letting him do this? Can she be told, and believe it, that she won’t be an awful person for cutting him loose? She needs to make cast-iron deadlines about when he will make an appointment for a psychiatrist, when he will apply for public aid, etc. It sounds cruel, but she needs to be told - maybe even when she calls crying about how awful he is and in the same breath mentions what she did for him - that she’s bringing it on herself, she’s letting him walk all over her.

Of course you are not responsible for Ian’s death and your brother lashing out at you is just horrible and as Ferret Herder says, all about him and his needs. Disregard his attacks.

I feel for you and your family.

I hope you can convince your mom to cut him off for now. I know its hard to not step in and take care of your children’s problems, but she has to make her own health her first priority or she can’t be of use to others. I have been an enabler and all it did was damage me.

You can’t make people get help. However, if your brother is in the US he’s probably eligible for SSI through is state or SSA disability through the feds. If he is eligible and bi-polar they will set him up with a representative payee so he can’t squander his money. I know this because my husband is receiving SSA disabiilty for bi-polar and I’m the one who get his money. The representative payee can be someone outside the family which would also help with your mother’s stress–she would not have to be his banker anymore. The SSA webpage has lots of information on disability.

I hope you find a way to insulate yourself from your brother’s problems.

You are not responsible for the death of your son. No way. Hearing your FYB say that really made me angry. Today is St. Patrick’s Day and I’m in a festive mood, but I promise tomorrow I will post seriously and vehemently.

いつもTokyoPlayerのことを祈ってるよ。がんばってください。 You’re always in my prayers. Please continue doing your best.

Cut him off for good - forever - and make it stick. I’ve said a million times before, family does not get a pass to be fucking assholes. Do not allow anyone else to act as an intermediary. Be strong; he reads like so many fucked up people I’ve encountered in life, who were sort of like runaway semi truck, careening down the road and smashing people as they go.

Being an old softie, I’d check back every five years or so. Sometimes assholes do get better; not often, but sometimes.

Best advice you’re going to get, I’m afraid. And I’m very sorry. It sounds like he will end up killing your mom.

Don’t ever talk to, see or email him again. Unless this is the kind of life you want going forward with TokyoWife.

I am so sorry- your plates have been so full lately…

I agree with the above members. “Tough love” is bandied about a bit too freely for my tastes, these days, but if there was ever a time when it’s appropriate, this is that time. Cut him off, permanently, and now. I think it was Why Not who noted, in anothr thread, a reconciliation with a brother even more vile – but after he fixed himself and made the first approach. Let that be your long-term hope for whatever feelings you have left for him, and use it to strengthen your resolution now. Because blaming you for Ian’s death was the lowest of low blows, from someone who knows how to manipulate and hurt.

As for your mother, I hesitate to say this, because it will if implemented mean you too need to hurt her, but in a good cause: She needs to be brought to recognize that in enabling him as she has, she’s actively contributing to his failure to get help – in effect, aiding and abetting him to get worse and abuse her. That’s a toughie to bring across with love, and I have no idea if your relationship with her would even allow you to say anything of the sort. But it may be the wake-up call she needs: to realize that it’s her choice to go on letting him doing what stresses her that enables him to do it, and that one thing she does have control over. If you can bring it across without hurting her more than necessary or harming your own relationship with her, you owe it to her to try. But only you know the family dynamic well enough to know whether it’s viable.

In any case, you’re in my thoughts and prayers for healing of this hurt.

It isn’t the “bipolare” so much that you should hate. It’s him. He won’t take the medication, and do the work to better himself so he can be “fit for company”. I’ll tell you honestly, I strongly dislike him, and wouldn’t take any of his crap if he tried to bully me and make me let him talk at me. Really, hate the individual who won’t take responsibility for himself. Don’t lump every other bipolar in with those who pull this shit. Many who have the sickness don’t, and quite a few can function in society. Tough love is in order with him though, I do agree with that. See if you can get your mom to some kind of “co-dependency” support group, to help her see what her enabling is doing. That’s a decent first step to easing her pain. Good luck, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

You can’t do anything effective to help your younger brother, neither can your mother. It seems to be a fact of life that a person has to hit bottom on his own, and choose whether he wants to take responsibility for his life-- or not.

Two out of my neighbour’s four children suffer from bipolar disorder. My neighbour helped a number of young people suffering from the same condition. He’s a volunteer, organizes activities and outings for a support group, on a weekly basis. He was unable to help his son from hitting bottom and choosing death. At that point, his youngest daughter finally accepted that she needed help (medication, therapy) with her condition.

Take care of yourself and TW. Your mother is an adult. She chooses to do what she does for her own reasons. You have no control over that at this point. Rightly or wrongly, parents do have a tendency to coddle their weaker children.

In a nutshell, (1) remove the toxic person from your life. They are parasites and will drain the good from everyone around them and (2) Mom’s a big girl capable of making decisions for reasons you may not be fully aware. Be sure mom understands that you love her and will support her, but that you will not sit and watch her be destroyed by her choices.

TokyoPlayer, you have had more than your share of loss this year. You and TokyoWife have had to bear burdens that most of us will never know. Focus on your love and the good things in your life right now.

I’m so sorry, TokyoPlayer. It definitely sounds like this person is sucking the life out of whoever he touches.

Some people need biohazard warnings tattooed to their foreheads, and your brother sounds like one of them. At least you can take solace in the knowledge that there’s no chance of him traveling the 5,000 miles to show up on your doorstep.

This passes for manipulation these days? That’s quite pathetic and obvious…I’d have trouble not laughing in his face (or should that be fase?).
Perhaps you should suggest he learn how to manipulate people before he tries again?

That way you call the bluff without directly calling it, and you let him know exactly what you think of his pathetic attempts.

Maybe you could even offer the tip: “It’s much more effective when you make your target think your goals and theirs are aligned” Of course, given the content of those emails, I think that might currently be beyond him.

I was going to point out the futility of arguing with a crazy person, but it looks liek the OP figured it out. Still, my sympathies. No one can twist the knife like family. Good riddance.

I’ll be frank: From reading that exchange, I can’t understand why you take anything that guy says seriously, even in the least.

Is it just because he’s related to you?

-FrL-

Thank you everyone. I really can’t tell you how much it has helped to have a place to vent and get things off my chest. I talk to a lot of people in person as well, but there’s also something good about setting words down on paper, even if the paper is only electronic. TW keeps things bottled up inside her. She tells only the facts to a few people, and doesn’t tell her emotions. With Ian’s death, TW hasn’t talked to anyone else but me about how she feels. She cries in private and weeps only when we are alone.

When Ian died, I cried with everyone. I’ve cried at bars with friends here. I bawled on cell phones with my mom, sister, friends back home and all over the world, aunt, grandmother and probably even with someone’s pet cat. Bitter tears flowed in pain as I composed tributes to our lost children and sweeter tears come with relief that others care, when reading the kind comments of those who took time to share.

I’m crying again reading the posts here. This has been a fantastic year and a few short months, of joy and pain in which we found each other, got engaged, pregnant, married, lost our son, got pregnant again and lost our second child. This has been heaven and hell. We’ve had more than our share of love and sorrow. But we have each other and that is enough. With each other, we can hold each through happiness and in grief.

My brother is sick, but that doesn’t excuse his behavior. As others have posted, people with this level of problems are often manipulative and abusive. For years he lived on my mother’s couch, living on frozen burrito and coke, for which he wouldn’t clean up after himself. He’s only have a few jobs, and doesn’t last long. He sponges off Mom, and admits that he treats her worse than he would others, just because he can. He would tell Mom that she could only ask him to do things on Fridays, and then wouldn’t be around that day.

Of course, it takes a victim to be a victim. For which role my mother has been born, it seems. It would take someone of greater wisdom than me to know how to judge her. Born to a manipulative father and an indifferent mother, she was the parent of younger sisters, missing her childhood in the process. Married to an abusive husband, a man who beat her and her children, molested their daughters and tried to destroy their children’s wills, the message to her generation of women was to endure.

We’ve tried again and again and again to convince her of the necessity of setting limits. Of setting deadline. Of not enabling him. We’ve begged and pleaded. We’re coached and held hands. Found options and alternatives. She won’t or can’t take steps to help herself.

I care not what this asshole says to me. I’ve tried my best but he’s dedicated to ruining his life and will take no advice. What I hate is that he is bent on destroying my mother, and that she doesn’t have the guts to deal with it.

I’ll try again to talk to my Mom, but it’s all getting too much. I have to take care of myself and TW first, and just let the rest of this shit go.

See what you wrote?

Now take heed of your own advice mate. Your mum and your brother have their own tangled web to unravel, your job is to look after your wonderful wife and your own needs…not just first, but only.

The other shit will look after itself regardless of what you do or don’t do.

Ah, geez, can’t I just come up there and bash some sense into you??? :smiley:

I have two friends who are bi-polar and they are wonderful, creative and giving people. Because they are on meds or in treatment. Being sick is no excuse.

I just had an unpleasant encounter with an asshole this weekend and the advice from friends was “Consider the source”. It’s a crazy manipulative person who has said these things; I know the temptation to address them as if they were legitimate, but consider the source.

Sounds like he’s off the beam, alright. I’d steer clear of him while you and the wife try to get back on your feet, but I don’t think I’d write him off completely. He’s nuts and part of the nutsiness is inability to think clearly about treatment. That doesn’t mean you should take any shit from him; just see it for what it is – the rantings of a crazy person. Best of luck to you.