And of course there are “purists” on the right voting libertarian or whatever.
It’s a mug’s game trying to scratch around for the fraction of a percent vote, instead of just trying to build a broad coalition. You’ll never get 100% of the people on the left, just as MAGA won’t get 100% of the right. But you can try to get more of them next time by listening to people’s concerns and giving people a positive message to vote for.
In general, it’s just really dumb trying to do a blame game over the last election, rather than learning anything whatsoever.
So much so, I think it’s you guys who are the enemy within trying to sabotage the left! <bodysnatchers point>
I find it dubious that only 4% of Americans count as “progressive leftists”. Who were all those other people voting for Bernie, AOC, and Mamdani? I think it would be more reasonable to put the figure at 10-20%.
Well, yeah, there’s the anti-electoralist “revolutionary” left, which is an even tinier group, and then there’s the Third Party or Bust electoralist left. Different people.
You seem to have missed the entire point of my post.
It’s not about you using the word fascist. It’s about misuse. You are calling people fascist for disagreeing with you. You are using it as an insult, which weakens it.
No one in this thread is fascist. Some have just disagreed with you on how best to fight fascism.
It’s not dubious at all. It’s a typology. They survey people on a bunch of questions, then break out the bundles of opinion. Very data driven. I agree that Bernie’s potential constituency is larger. At any rate, here are the categories:
Progressive Left
Establishment Democrats
Outsider Left
Stressed Sideliners
Ambivalent Right
Populist Right
Committed Conservatives
Flag and Faith Conservatives
And here is the quiz if you want to find out what bin you are in:
I’m going to make a thread where we can take the quiz in a moment.
…so I’m not a “progressive lefty” then. Which is weird, because that’s what I would consider myself to be. I’ve never heard of the “outsider left”, which is what the poll has decided I am. I’m young and liberal, supposedly. A very young 53 years old.
That was very “push-polly.” And I think much less “data driven” and more “this gives us the results that we want.” What an easy way to make it look like there are less left-progressive people than there actually are.
Nah, they redo the typology every few years. We had a thread on their 2005 version.
The problem as I see it is that it focuses on vibes more than anything else. That accords with how most view politics probably, but it might not measure news junkies that well. I imagine that my score would vary with my mood.
I voted for Harris you ignorant twat. People like you never once thought about the Palestinian cause and still won’t except to blame them for America’s collapse. God, you’re trash.
People like them forced voters who cared about the genocide to make a desperate gamble and vote for Trump, or admit defeat and just not vote. Then, they somehow try to take the moral high ground of being indifferent to genocide. They refuse to admit their complicity.
I own more than one book on genocide. Lemkin, who coined the term, was adamant about the term not being defined either too narrowly or too widely. Israel has committed serious war crimes in Gaza. That does not imply they committed genocide.
Last Fall, a 3 member UN panel concluded that Israel had committed genocide against the Palestinians in Gaza, based upon a “reasonable grounds to conclude” standard. Pending a review of their work, or a review of their work from an analyst I have some familiarity with, I’ve elevated my characterization to, “The existence of a serious risk of genocide”, which not incidentally mandates governmental action. It’s in the linked thread.
I’m not sure how it was a “gamble”; voting for Trump was never going to do anything but further increase the killing and ensure that they, themselves would be moved to the target list. And ensure that there would never be any hope for anything worldwide disaster.
I find myself unable to sympathize with people who decided to respond to an unjust situation (that the US doesn’t even have to power to actually stop, mind) by effectively declaring war on humanity.
Anyone who voted for Trump for any reason deserves to have nothing but Hostis Humani Generis on their gravestone as far as I’m concerned. No reason is good enough for such an act, they all deserve utter, lifelong hate and condemnation.
You continue to dodge the fact that you claim this is a multi-election strategy, meaning that it’s still a live strategy (presumably). We could in fact presume this based on the fact that people are still defending it even after its catastrophic failure in 2024, that despite the fact that strategic non-voters got their goals and priorities absolutely torched, that in fact it is Democratic voters who still have a lesson to learn.
you cannot have this both ways, you cannot suggest it’s a sophisticated multi-election strategy, and then blithely say it’s time to move past the previous catastrophic fuckup and get a fresh start.
Since I don’t have a dog in this fight, I’ve just been reading, but I don’t get these pair of posts.
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Was the first post sarcasm? Because otherwise your arguments don’t seem to make sense. Maybe I just don’t understand.
BTW, this is the Pit and hyperbole is par for the course, but given the posting history of @MrDibble, I think it would be more accurate to smear him as a raging Marxist. Also fascism ≠ nazism. Stop conflating the two.
