I had to force it on my dad’s computer. When I ran the troubleshooter, it kept saying he was ineligible for the upgrade. I verified he wasn’t, and upgraded it anyways, and it activated just fine.
Not that you have to if you don’t want to. I’d at least wait until they get colored titlebars back, which should be coming in a subsequent update.
It seems OK to me. I duplicated my Windows 7 virtual machine and installed the Win 10 update on the duplicate. Parallels freaking 8, still doing the job (as far as Windows OS are concerned; for more recent MacOS versions I use a VMWare, which handles some oddball change to the video drivers that Parallels doesn’t).
Native OS is still MacOS 10.6.8 and I still have Windows 7. And XP. (not to mention Windows for Workgroups 3.11). Consider virtual machines. Keep the one you like best as your native OS and run the others when you need or want them.
ETA: created this post in Chrome under Win 10
Although I have no experience with any Apple product, isn’t that company supposed to be admired for creating an easier, more seamless user experience, the basic idea being that the user doesn’t have to worry about drivers and OS upgrades, or at least not as much as with Windows? And isn’t their support better?
All other things being equal, and if I weren’t already personally invested in Windows systems–e.g. familiarity with scripting and development tools that only work in Windows, I would probably be heading for the Apple store myself, the next time I need a computer.
FWIW, I use them both, Windows and Mac. Windows at work. Because it’s work and none of the proprietary apps work with anything but Windows.
Mac at home. Thousands of hours on each now. If I had to “Sophie’s Choice” these, it would be the Apple I kept. No question.
(wow - I just godwinized a PC thread)
Drivers? Yeah, assuming the item still works at all. Upgrades, though? You sure do have to concern yourself with those. And the interface does change. And Apple is much bigger on letting things just stop working, while Microsoft works really hard on backwards compatibility.
My church bought a Mac because they thought it was easier. Then they picked up some malware, and no one knows how to fix it. (I can maybe stumble through, but it’s the computer my dad uses as part of his church job, so I’m letting him handle asking if I can try. He hasn’t yet.)
Since he has some Mac experience, he’d probably be fine. But I would not recommend switching to Mac if you have a lot of PC knowledge and your complaint is that it’s hard to relearn how to do things.
Especially if you’re saying it’s hard to figure out how to do things on Windows 10.
People have a problem with this? It took me about 10 minutes to figure out 90% of the changes that might have affected me. Probably another 5 minutes for the rest.
So it got much harder toward the end, then?
Yeah, had to use Google to figure out how to do backups to my home NAS and make a recovery usb drive.
and while Microsoft will still be supporting Windows 7 until like the year 2020, Apple tells you to fuck off if you’re not running the latest OS version or the one previous.
Yes, the Mac is a “plug and play” type of device, everything is pretty much all set up right out of the box. Any refinements or customizing is very intuitive and easy to perform. The OS upgrades are seamless and free, not sure how much y’all are paying for Windoze 11 but Yosemite was free to me and I think El Capitan will be as well.
The Macintosh comes with Apache installed and enabled, PHP 5 is installed but you have to uncomment to load file to enable it and mySQL is a free download and just plinks down into the /usr directory … takes about ten minutes and you can frontend a world class database with Firefox or whatever. It’s supposed to port to the Windoze environment, but I’ll have to see that to believe it to be honest.
Macs are stable, I reboot my OS every six months whether I need to or not. I don’t think I could live without Dynamic Memory Allocation (DMA), it just makes the computer experience so much more enjoyable. I had to launch almost every application I have before I started to have RAM issues.
The downside is that Macs are expensive, and for gamers it’s somewhat limited. Quite a few gaming site aren’t ported to Macintosh, MtG is a good example and ICS clients are few and far between.
As noted above, Macs are not immune to viruses and malware, but I’ve never bothered in twenty years on the internet and I’ve never been infected.
Fuck Windoze … it’s crap … always has been always will be
I’ve been a Mac user for 25 years, so it’s not like I have an unbiased opinion.
That said, being an office professional means I’ve had to use Windows. A lot.
I recently upgraded my office machine from XP to W7. I have to say, it doesn’t suck. It’s even elegant in certain places.
I occasionally get pop-ups that try to convince me upgrade to W10. New York abstains, courteously. 
Keep an eye on Windows Update. It has the download as an optional update.
How many years?
Basically everything you have said here is true of a modern Windows computer as well, and has been true since at least Windows 7 (and arguably Windows XP as well).
First, it’s currently Windows 10, not 11. Second, if you had actually been reading this thread, you would know that Windows 10 is free for users of Windows 7, 8.0, and 8.1.
You also understand, i assume, that you pay for your Mac operating system by (over)paying for your hardware. Apple does make very nice hardware, but for the specs and the performance you get, that hardware often costs considerably more than a Windows computer. In many cases, the price difference more than makes up for any discrepancy in the cost of the operating system.
Too many people compare Apple to Microsoft as if they’re comparing apples with apples (pun!), but they’re not. Apple is a hardware manufacturer that also provides you with an operating system. This actually makes their life easier, because they can optimize their OS easily for a narrow range of hardware. Microsoft makes operating systems for a massive array of hardware, and thus has to develop an OS that works across a huge variety of configurations and component manufacturers.
This doesn’t particularly make one better than the other, but it does mean that Apple’s free OS upgrades don’t exactly constitute the startling generosity that some Mac users would like to believe.
Are you kidding me? Now you just look like a fucking ignorant dunce.
You question whether an Apache/mySQL/PHP setup can “port to the Windoze environment”? Are you unaware of how many Windows computers worldwide run this setup? I set this up on my WindowsXP box back when i knew almost literally nothing about computers. It took me about ten minutes to download, install, and configure for basic use. Hell, i even run a portable XAMPP server on a USB key that i can take with me and plug into any Windows computer.
I think the biggest problem with Mac fanboys is that they apparently don’t actually know anything about Windows.
My previous computer (Windows 7), which i just replaced, was sometimes left without a restart for weeks or months at a time. Usually, though, if i turn my computer off, it’s not because i’m worried about stability, but because i see no reason to leave it on when i’m out of the house for hours or days at a time. And with my current computer, running a new Intel processor on a fast solid state drive, i can switch it on and be ready to work in under 15 seconds, so turning it off causes no hardship at all.
Well why didn’t you say so?
As you are probably aware, Windows computers are restricted to 512MB of RAM, and therefore slow down as soon as you try to open Internet Explorer. :rolleyes:
Seriously, though: whether you have RAM issues is most likely to depend—wait for it!—on how much RAM you have. Crazy, isn’t it? Who would have believed such a thing? My current box has 16GB, and if i’m being honest, that’s probably overkill for almost anything that i do in the course of my normal computing. It’s also twice as much as comes standard on the iMac.
Today i have been using the following programs all together:
Firefox (about 30 tabs)
Thunderbird
MS Word
Dragon Naturally Speaking
Chrome (watching MLBTV)
Just for fun, with all those programs still running, i fired up Adobe Lightroom and Adobe Premiere, at the same time. I started encoding a video file in Premiere, and then, while that was working, i proceeded to edit some photos in Lightroom. No problems at all with my RAM.
You’re a fucking moron.
I love Macs. They’re great computers. My wife has a Macbook Air, which she got at my suggestion, and it’s a lovely piece of hardware with a great OS. The only substandard thing about Macs is some of the people who sit in front of the keyboards, and you’re a prime example.
There used to be a time when “Windoze” by “Micro$oft” really and truly did suck, but that really stopped with Windows Vista. I know Windows fans tended to hate on Vista compared to XP, and XP was fairly useable, but Vista is really what made Windows a solid, technically excellent operating system.
I say the above as a dedicated Mac owner/user (current count is six if you include the HTPCs and seven if you include the Hackintosh), who as an engineering worker has to use Windows at work all the time (going back to the Win 3.1 days).
I don’t particularly enjoy using Windows compared to a Mac, but it’s certainly not the most profound suckitude that it used to be.
Cool, someone else that doesn’t hate Vista.
Hmmm. I upgraded all the computers at home and at the Taekwondo school to Win10 last month. No problems. But it is Windows, so I’ll say …so far.
It’s hard to hate Vista. The problem is XP was such a massive upgrade from 95/98/ME/NT that people had too many expectations for Vista. But Vista, while it had its normal Microsoft it’s-not-broken-but-fix-it-anyway issues, was the first Windows OS that was really and truly stable: no kernel panics, no forced restarts. It was awesome!
I do absolutely hate any Windows MS-Office version starting at 2010 and later, though. Oh, I want to make yet another Pit thread. Something is fucking wrong if I have to use Google to figure out which tab I have to go to find the fucking Fill->Down->Series command (it’s faster than flipping through the tabs and trying to read/decipher every God-damned icon. I can read actual menus, but there are no actual menus). My blood is curdling from remembering how much I fucking hate Office these days, and I can’t say “Fuck Windows” but I can heartily say “Fuck Office.” I know, I know… this war was lost back in 2007 or so.
Well I’m on 8 and am not upgrading. I used to be Mac user, and can’t understand why it seems I still have to reboot my Windows a couple of times a week. Either MS has an update which requires a (forced) update, or I installed some new software which requires a reboot, or Window just fucks up. On Mac I could go months between a reboot. I really though MS had fixed this problem.
Win 10 seems to try to get a common interface for phones, laptops, tablets. Which is why it’s different. Much like the horrible change to Google maps that we are still stuck with.
My laptop is on Win 7 and the update window does not work. It’s there but does nothing. I actually had to do something to get that window (because I first thought I wanted Win 10), but now glad it is basically a dud icon that is never ready to upgrade.