That’s right, fuck you Diogenes. There are too many threads to link to, and anyone reading this is probably a Pit reader. They’ll know what I’m I’m referring to.
You’ve made a shitload of comparisons between Hitler and Bush tonight. Kerry lost, get over it. I was planning on logging in tonight and taking my lumps for supporting Bush tonight if he lost. All I see from you is some form of Hitler being better than Bush.** In multiple threads**.
Look, I have (well, had) a lot of respect for you after an initial period of thinking you were way the fuck out there. Now you’ve confirmed it. You’re a loon. I hope I can regain respect as I normally enjoy your posts.
But this goes too far. Comparing the President to Hitler. I know it’s used for hyperbole sometimes, but the frequency you’ve used it tonight makes me think you believe it’s a valid comparison.
If you honestly (I’m calling you out here** Dio**) think that Bush even close to Hitler, well you know what you have to do. If you love your country so much and think Bush is worse than Hitler (as you said “Hitler was honest”)…well.
Oh, before you completley go off the deep end, please explain to our Jewish friends how Bush is less evil than Hitler. I’m sure the “honesty” part will give them a chuckle.
Please get some help. It’s going to be a few weeks before I get to the cities so I can buy you a drink and talk you back from the ledge.
Bush is expansionist, supports pre-emptive action, and has shown no qualms about curbing freedoms at home “for the sake of security”.
Countries don’t put up big neon warning signs when they start taking a turn to the dark side. It happens subtly. It happens with the support of the masses. Only hindsight can tell if things will get better soon or if things will just start coming down. Nobody knows when to leave a country because things are getting bad. Nobody knows where that little point between “a bit bad but we’ll live through it” and “wow, this is the worst thing in the world” is. By the time you know these things for sure, it’s too late.
Comparing Bush to Hitler is a bit extreme, but it’s tempting to want to remind people that evil can be embraced by a modern Western country- that nobody is exempt from it. We’re afraid and we want people to be careful.
I have no problem with vigilance. That’s why I’m a firm supporter of the 2nd ammendment. I’ll use my guns in an effort to avoid a Hitler-esque takeover of the US. But to use Hitler as a seemingly valid comparison to Bush, literally, is more than a bit over the top. If Dio is so worried about Ashcroft and the Patriot Act taking away his freedoms, why is he still posting this shit without being thrown in a jail cell? :dubious:
And, yes, gobear is a class act. Took me some time, but I kinda like him now.
What? No, not like that. Um, no! Well, maybe if I get really lonely.
Good thing Clinton was only accused of getting a blowjob. Nope, no one ever said he comitted murder or anything like that. :rolleyes:
While I agree that perhaps the Bush-Hitler comparison is extreme, opening a pit thread about it isn’t going to help. It’s the emotion of the moment right now. Hell, I didn’t see anyone on the right crying when the Swifties were saying John Kerry shot a little boy in the back.
I had one hell of a post whipped up a few minutes ago detailing the length of my emotional reaction to Bush’s victory. We’ll put it this way: I ain’t happy about it. I wrote the post, I titled it, I hovered the mouse over “Submit Thread”…and then I slowly backed away from the computer, reread what I had written, copied it to the clipboard, and waited for my cooler head to prevail.
I continue to be incontrovertibly Not Happy about the results of tonight’s election. I have my reasons for that, and I wrote them out. Through a touch of self-restraint, however, I saved myself from acting like a belligerent ass, from ridiculing people whom, at the end of the day, I still ultimately respect, and from alienating folks I would like to consider my friends. Those of you who agree with me already know my feelings, and it would be pointless to repeat them to you. Those of you who disagree, whether you know my feelings or not, you don’t share them, and it would be pointless and immature to shove them in your faces out of spite for the fact that you won (and you did win). My catharsis is complete. I need not force it upon you.
I won’t tell you to calm down, Diogenes. Og only knows it took me more than a moment to regain coherence, and I am still a touch shaken. I will tell you, unequivocably, to quit acting like an ass. Compare Bush to Hitler all you’d like, but do it in your own head. You’re not convincing anybody here who didn’t agree with you to begin with. And one more thing…we lost. Get it through your head. More than your emotional reaction, it is this insistance that the results must somehow be other than they are that undermines the possibility of anybody respecting your viewpoint. Emotion is understandable. Denial and illogic are not. I ask that you step away from the keyboard, and return when you can accept what is, regardless of how distasteful you may find it. Until you can do that, nobody, of any political persuasion, is going to listen to you.
I saw a reference to Clinton’s blowjobs and wondered what it had to do with Bush-Hitler.
Then I saw the mention of opening a Pit thread wouldn’t help. It’s in reference to another Pit thread. Hey, you laugh or cry. Seems like in cyberspace you pit or, well…
And of course there was no reference to Kerry shooting anyone, much less a boy.
And if you apologize for English being a second language one more time, I’ll pit you! I can read German and can speak it in a limited fashion, but would be lost on a German message board. The fact that you have a grasp of English to the point of being understandable on an English language board, well, you’re one up on me.
You know, just because one thing is compared to another, that does not mean the person comparing thinks they are identical in every possible way and to the finest degree.
In other words, if somebody say, compares Bush’s campaign tactics to Hitler, that does not mean that person thinks Bush grew a little mustache and set up concentration camps to exterminate Jews and married Eva Braun and killled himself in bunker and his skull is a drawer in Russia.
Seems to me the Bush/Hitler comparison wasn’t about who is more evil (I think we all agree it’s Hitler), but instead, who hides their evil better. Hitler wasn’t shy about the fact that he was exterminating an entire people. Everyone in Germany was totally clear that supporting Hitler meant supporting genocide. With Bush, you get a lot of doublespeak about “security” and “family values” and so on. Bush won’t say what he really supports. He won’t come out and say “I want to ban abortion” or “I want to institute school prayer.” Instead, you’re left to puzzle out his speeches like a political detective, figuring out what exactly he means. Just look at the name of the SSM ban and how it was worded. It didn’t say “vote for this if you want to ban SSM.” It said “vote for this to preserve marriage between a man and a woman,” which has a decidedly different tone and flavor.
If my president was for genocide, I certainly wouldn’t want him to doll it up by saying “I favor strategic population decreases and a return to our cultural heritage.” I want him to fucking say “hey, I want to kill people, you in?”
And yes, Hitler is worse than Bush. However, Bush is more hypocritical than Hitler. He does wrap his views up in more doublespeak than Hitler. Yes, Hitler was unequivocably more evil than Bush, but it was a more straightforward kind of evil. I think that’s what Dio was saying.
I don’t like GW Bush. I don’t like him at all and think he’s been a lousy President. He isn’t Hitler, hell, he ain’t even Pol Pot or Idi Amin Dada…
It pisses me off when conservatives vilify liberals, it bothers me just as much the other way around. It pissed me off when I saw Diogenes posting last night how the Republican were cheating because they were leading in Florida. I think the whole thing is stupid, everything boils down to the left verus the right now and we are splintering ourselves as a nation and as a people.
I’ve always thought of voting as something to do as an informed citizen. Study the candidates and vote for the best person for the job. I’ve also always thought of anyone voting straight ticket as taking the lazy way out and the stupid way out. In some cases, of course, one party may have all the best people for the job but I don’t consider that going straight party.
I said before that I don’t like GW Bush, I don’t care much for Kerry either. Neither do I like Nader or Badnarik. Who did I have to vote for? Why can’t I find a candidate that is a centrist? Why can’t I find a candidate that I can assume is honest and forthright? Why can’t I find someone who doesn’t attack and demonize his/her opponent?
We, as citizens of these United States (as a group), are no better. We have several conservative posters here that ridicule liberal ideas and philosophies, and we have liberal posters here who demonize conservatives and blame them for everything bad that happens. We have radio commentators who lambaste the “lefties” and we have others in various medias who return the favor against the"far right". I, personally, am sick of it.
Thanks even sven, it’s stupidity like this that pushed the voter turn out to nearly, if not, record numbers. Hell down here in N’awlins some precincts are reporting close to 100% turn out. President Bush thanks you and so do I.
