Game of Thrones 4.03 "Breaker of Chains" 4/20/14 [No spoilers]

I would’ve LOL’d.

As it happens, something similar to that happens in Martin’s Tuf Voyaging, my favorite sf book of his.

You may be right about her character, but the scene last season where she reveals that Old Valyrian is her native tongue, frees the Unsullied and fries the misogynist bastard was one of the most awesome things I’d seen on any TV show ever.

(Where does she stash the dragons, though, when her army is on the march?)

May as well watch it again :slight_smile:

I’ve said it before, but it bears repeating: what in the world is going to stop Daenerys once she gets to King’s Landing? Aren’t those dragons friggin’ apex predators?

At this point I’m expecting the last scene to be Daenerys staring at Tywin and saying “Dracarys” - roll credits.

Tywin said that Dorne found some way of repelling them.

The dragons are legit scary, but there’s only 3 of them and they can’t be everywhere at once. They’re also not absolutely unkillable - a ballista bolt through the throat would probably slow one down some. Or a shadow baby they can’t burn nor bite. In a pinch, killing Dany would work too - they’d revert to savagery.

Also the title of the series itself suggests they’ll probably only come into play when the scary ass ice wizards from the North become an even more pressing matter. Which means either the Seven Kingdoms are double fucked, or they’ll finally get to watch while some other poor bastards annihilate each other.

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Why would she need to stash them ? They’re big boys now, they can buzz around the army, and for supper fuck up the odd goat (or, methinks, maybe also the odd plucky former slave who’s strayed from the camp to take a piss…)

I think she definitely has some potential chinks in her armor:
(1) she really really hates slavery. Which is a good thing, but it might be something that can be manipulated
(2) her dragons are not tame, they are wild animals. And they’re just getting bigger
(3) she’s a bit of a teenage girl when it comes to matters of the heart
(4) of her advisers:
-Gray Worm seems truly absolutely devoted, but also presumably is seriously emotionally stunted
-Daario has the hots for her… which isn’t a good basis for military and tactical support
-Jorah has the hots for her and is super jealous of Daario, which isn’t a good basis for military and tactical support. Plus he used to spy on her for her sworn enemies.
-Ser Barristan SEEMS truly devoted, but (a) he’s getting old, and (b) he was in the kingsguard for her sworn enemies for well over a decade.

I see where you’re coming from, and I agree that so far her story has been the most stereotypical fantasy-story-where-hero-gains-power-and-is-awesome, but I think there are definite storm clouds on the horizon

everyone and every thing. Fixed that for you.
Jorah is the epitome of the Nice Guy. What good advice he might give is ultimately secondary to his advice getting Daenerys to finally see that all those other guys are jerks who don’t respect her, and so she should really knock boots with Jorah just about now, although an hour from now could be OK.
Hell, he’s even jealous of the dragons : “They can’t be tamed, Khaleesi, even by their mother. Whereas I know someone who could be very tame, if that floated your boat. The dragons don’t love you for who you are, Khaleesi. Can’t you see they’re negging you ?”

As stated in other threads, I’m not a fan of this “Nice Guy” meme and how widely it now gets applied.

I think Jorah loves Danys to the extent that if he ever felt he was surplus to requirements, he’d voluntarily leave her. I think he knows she’ll never hook up with him, but if she did, he’d be the first one reminding her of how old he is, and how disgraced he is in Westeros.

I think it’s fair to infer he’s jealous of Daario (though it’s never been openly stated). But I don’t recall him showing any hostility towards Daario since he joined their group.
And this manipulative streak you believe Jorah has…when has he demonstrated that?

Rewatch the Qarth storyline with that angle in mind. It’s really hard to miss.

Better yet : watch his face go from “I did a thing Khaleesi ! Lookatme lookatme I did a thing !” to “Oh fuck my life” after Grey Worm, Daario and him go all Mortal Kombat on that one slaver town via the back entrance but the first thing Dany asks is “Where’s Daario ?”. It’s both heartbreaking and hilarious.

Jorah is a genuinely good guy repressing his feelings for her. He’s only done things that were ultimately for her benefit. He hasn’t as far as I can recall deliberately sabotaged her relationships with other men or anything. He’s not a “Nice Guy” in the passive aggressive woe is me way - he’s legitimately doing everything he can to be a good advisor/general/whatever to her.

And as far as having him face off against dozens of men in hand to hand combat, come out victorious, return a bloody, probably injured mess - and when he comes back to her, she just asks “Where’s the guy with the hair?”, he doesn’t even have to be in love with her to be disappointed.

Really ? “I don’t like that Zorro Zorro Ducksauce (you know, the guy to which we owe the fact that we’re not bleached setpieces in the Garden of Bones), we don’t need nobody’s help cause I’ll find you a single ship and we can sail to Westeros together, I’ll protect you !” was not *terrible *advice ?

OK, Ducksauce did eventually prove to be a false friend. But there was precious little indication of this prior to the big reveal - his “marry me and I’ll give you half my moolah, you can buy ships, it’ll be great” wasn’t altogether extravagant a proposal and his ambitions were credible. Let’s face it : Jorah simply didn’t want him moving in on a Khaleesi who didn’t seem absolutely against the notion provided it landed her a kingdom.

He said that rich men don’t become rich men by not getting the best end of their deals, and that if she took his offer to fund her army, she’d be beholden to him. She would also be landing on Westeros invading with a foreign army, which would hamper her support there. That she had loyal forces within Westeros herself, and that she could raise an army loyal to her and organic to the place she wanted to conquer and rule and gain the loyalty of.

So yeah, that seems like pretty solid advice. You just have some crazy axe to grind against “Nice Guys” that you start treating anyone who’s legitimately good and loyal but has some sort of unrequieted feelings as them.

Fwiw, of all the many, many storylines in GoT I find the blondie/dragons one closest to Japanese anime.

I can’t remember in the pilot exactly where Dany and her bro were living, but was it not in one of the slaver cities? Didn’t she grow up there? Wouldn’t she have kind of stand out and notable, if even for her appearance much less the deposed royalty thing?

But she seems a fish out of water, and everyone else never heard of her.

They first appeared in Pentos, which hasn’t so far as I recall been described as a slave city.

Yes, Daenerys’ story starts in Pentos where she and Viserys are living as guests of Illyrio. As far as I know they never explicitly refer to the city as Pentos in dialogue but if you watch the opening cinematic for the first episode of the first season (you can see it here) the last location to be shown, a city across the sea to the east in Essos where Dany’s story is taking place, is Pentos.

It’s never referred to as a slave city but remember that in season one’s second episode we learn that Viserys purchased the slave Doreah for Daenerys from a pleasure house, which purchased her from her mother when she was nine. So unless the Dothraki horde stopped at another city (and the cities in Essos aren’t exactly right next door to each other, if you look at the HBO map) between the end of episode one and the start of episode two the pleasure house Viserys bought her from was likely in Pentos. So slavery exists there.

Wasn’t Pentos where Shae was supposedly headed?

I understand why you’re saying this, but I think it’s a simplistic reading of his character.

Even so, it’s less infuriatingly overused than Mary Sue.

The problem is this: he’s never actually said anything good about himself. He does often say negative things about other people, but it seems like that’s the kind of thing you want from an adviser a lot of the time. People are always trying to bring Danaerys into alliances that benefit them but may not be in her best interest. That sounds like the kind of advice a young ruler needs.

But that’s also true.

A murderous false friend whose had no interest in helping her, and who probably couldn’t have helped her because his great fortune was made up anyway. So I’d say Jorah’s advice worked out pretty well.

The show never expands on the circumstances of her childhood… but we do know that King Robert wanted to assassinate her, so wherever she was living, it was probably out of the public eye.

She probably didn’t attend the Pentos equivalent of a public elementary school, certainly.