I can’t take the show seriously but I guess the idea was to implicate the confused looking redhead.
#deep,man
Not bad. I think you may have just pegged how Tyrion will get out of this one.
Seems to be more corroborating evidence, rather than evidence of the contrary. How does finding the murder weapon help Tyrion?
LOL - I didn’t even see that conclusion! I was all focused on “what as the original plan” and how the pieces fit together.
The one problem is that Little Finger smash the necklace and kicker into the ocean.
Pinning it on Sansa does not absolve Tyrion, no one would believe she came up with that plan on her own.
Of course. But then, so is the *lack *of connection you draw ;). Everyone sees the world through their own prism. It’s silly to try and use that as a knock on how other people perceive art.
Nonsense.
This is essentially the same line of argument comic book writers put forward to justify drawing scantily clad women - “but they’re from another planet where everybody dresses that way so it’s only expected that Starfire wears about 3 square inches of fabric, it’s not sexist. Oh, and she behaves super slutty and is always DTF because her species process emotions differently or something, it’s not at all wish fulfilment and sex objectification”. Or, in an creepier twist, Japanese manga where the love interest looks like a 12 year old girl, “but it’s OK 'cause she’s really 150 years old/a shapeshifter/from a species where adults coincidentally look like prepubescent human girls. So it’s not fucked up, you prude”. Which doesn’t fool anyone either.
Art is not created in a vacuum, and the directors have absolute control over what they choose to display. The directors are not from Westeros, the people they’re producing the show for aren’t from Westeros, and they’re not beholden to narrating historical fact (not that Hollywood was ever shy about flipping *that *script…). Whatever they put out is their deliberate choice, and they, like us, have modern sensibilities with which to analyze what they show.
Now, do I believe the GoT writers *deliberately *introduced the White Man’s Burden overtones, the same way comic book writers come up with bullshit to justify drawing boobies (or rather, draw boobies then retroactively try to justify it) ? That, in fact, they wanted to shoot a colonial worship scene first and foremost, and crowbarred it in there ? No, not at all. I might if they had established a pattern of such things, or if stuff like that popped up throughout GRRM’s writing, but they didn’t, so I don’t. Hence why my initial comment was tempered with “I know, I know, I’m being unfair”.
I think the worst they can be accused of was simply being oblivious to this aspect of their work (whereas “Daenerys frees the slaves, all the slaves are black people, do you GET the HISTORICAL PARALLEL ? She is a GOOD character.” was probably their explicit goal). But that doesn’t change the fact that the aspect of the visual they overlooked is cringe-worthy to quite a few people. Much like the director of last ep. didn’t think his “implicit consent” scene through, like, at all.
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Isn’t the plan to kill Joffrey needlessly complex? Was there any reason the old lady couldn’t have just stashed the poison in her pocket without employing a backstory about a necklace, and having one of the jewels be infused with poison which requires someone to manage to remove that jewel and finally get it into his drink? It’s not like she was frisked on the way into the wedding.
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She couldn’t plan that Joffrey was going to go out of his way to be a dick to Tyrion and in doing so make him the ideal fall guy. So she had her own patsy : the young girl, spawn of a traitor, who had every reason in the world to want Joffrey dead, wore the murder weapon and absconded discreetly amidst the chaos.
I expect the missing, hollow stone will turn up during the trial. Or the remains of the necklace for that matter - maybe every stone was hollow, or the stones themselves were in fact soluble FantasyArsenic crystals.
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My take-away from that scene was: wondering where Craster would get wine?
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Craster extorted a cask of wine from the Watch party on their way in (among other things), as payment for sheltering them. Mormont obliged to mollify him. Safe to say that was the usual thing he did.
He tossed it into the rowboat that held Dantos’ body.
What was the deal with Craster anyway? I never understood that arrangement. Was he a former “southerner” that moved north of the wall? Or was he some wildling that the Night’s Watch made a truce with.
The latter, it seems. They’d use his place as a stopover during rangings, and barter for food and shelter with goods from the wall. Craster didn’t particularly like the Watch, but he liked what they brought him, and he never tried to kill the crows, so it worked out as well as anything else did up there.
We don’t know the details of the trial do we?
We know three judges with witnesses called.
Unanimous decision by the judges required?
I think the Auberyn as Judge thing is going to be the interesting twist. The “Tywin hates Tyrion” majority seem to think Tywin “bought” the prince by offering up the Mountain. I–possibly the only one in the “Tywin ‘hates’ Tyrion but ‘he’s still a Lannister dammit!’” minority thinks Auberyn’s there to give the plausible “Not guilty” vote. This will give Tywin the ability to find a more interesting solution to the Tyrion problem. Banishment? Sent to the Wall? Etc.
Tyrion says that Mace Tyrell will vote however Tywin wants him too. But he was still interested in who the third judge was, which makes me think it has to be unanimous.
Determining that Sansa is guilty doesn’t exonerate Tyrion.
See, even with all the evidence presented, are we to believe that Sansa could formulate, let alone implement that complex of a plan? No, there had to be a brains behind the operation. She’s still grieving over the loss of her father and pleads to her new husband “isn’t there anything that can be done to right this wrong?” Ah, but there is. Tyrion, who loves his new wife, wants to do right by her. And a scheme hatches.
I’m sure both were meant to escape. Surely that was the plan. Indeed, Tyrion was all set to leave the festivities of this once in a lifetime event. Why not? We’ve heard already countless examples of how he never honored his nephew nor respected his rightful King. So he’d gotten up to sneak out with Sansa by his side. But our beloved King Jofferey, divinely inspired by the Seven Gods, took notice of Tyrion and brought him back. It foiled Tyrion’s plans but gave Sansa the cover she’d need to escape.
Such is the hubris of this Tyrion who thought “No matter. I am smarter than the rest of you. I can talk my way out of such a situation.” But we shall not let him, today, shall we? Tyrion will pay for what he’s done.
Well, before we knew who did it, ISTR a bunch of folks in this very thread (well, its spiritual forebear, the 4.02 thread) speculating that Sansa was the one. I certainly didn’t think it was likely, but other folks did. We’ll see.
I’m still not seeing the connection here. What I’m seeing is:
- Danaerys is surrounded by adoring people with darker skin than her.
- ??? <Insert Something Here> ???
- Therefore, colonialism / racism / something.
- ??? <Insert Something Else Here> ???
- Therefore, people are upset.
What are steps 2 and 4? What’s the connection between that scene and colonialism / racism / whateverism? Furthermore, if it is a depiction or reference to some ism, what’s the connection between that an the offense that has been taken? Are depictions of or references to racism or colonialism offensive?
Honestly, this reminds me of that Australian chicken commercial that some Americans insisted just had to be racist, due entirely to what they brought to it, not what it was on its own.
That’s actually not what happened.
“Jon Snow: Goddammit, now even you guys are clogging my feed with baby photos.”
Jon Snow: You wouldn’t happen to have six fingers on your right hand, by any chance?
Locke: No, but I get that a lot.
Exactly what I was thinking!!
There’s no 2. She’s a white outsider, and they’re a mass of undifferentiated dark folks worshipping her as a god. The image of unwashed masses of dark skinned people worshipping this one white outsider did look a little racist.
If we’re going to go that far down this hole, are you familiar with the concept of the White Man’s Burden? Of the idea that even colonialism and slavery were seen as things white people should do to nonwhites in order to help them?
I would say you don’t want to unintentionally invoke those in your art.
Oh?
The two quotes you supplied are a far cry from “OMG WHY YOU GUYS ARE SO UPSET!!1!”