It was silver not gold, but the result is the same.
Who is being stripped of lands here? Harrenhall is does not mean lord of trident. When LF was given Harrenhall, Tullys still ruled Riverrun and the riverlands were technically Tullys, though The mountain and co were killing and raping it… Lannister etc were invading forces.
According to the game of thrones wiki, Walder is in charge or Riverrun. Walder used to be a Tully bannerman, so the price of betrayal was to replace his lord. I don’t think there’s any problems with heirs for the Freys. They seem plentiful enough.
Roose has the Dreadfort. He has always been in charge of it. He’s now Warden of the North, which was the title Ned Stark had. Roose has nothing, but is kind of Lord of Winterfell by possession and marriage, though you’d argue he doesn’t have that title. Once Sansa has a kid, that position will be solidified. Warden of the North would be inherited from Roose if and when he dies. Until the king reassigns that…
Well, we have Theon Greyjoy.
I’d certainly argue that the Freys are more the bad guys than Bolton and more in need of vengence. Sure, Roose probably organised the betrayal, but it was the Freys guest rites which were violated. Roose just put the knife in to show his complicity. Maybe Walda is in there to remind us they exist.
This is a very minor nitpick, but if your general walks in and tells you 40 horses died and then a couple sentences later says they are going to run out of food, wouldn’t you think maybe one problem just solved the other?
Re: Sansa still being a virgin before her marriage to Ramsey. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t recall Sansa ever specifically saying that she was, I think she just confirmed that she did not have sex with her husband. Baelish may have said she was but we know he has no problems lying.
You got a point there. The best part was seeing Cersei get thrown in a dreary cell. Can’t wait to see the next episode.
The best part was seeing Cersei get thrown in a dreary cell. Can’t wait to see the next episode.
A thing that made me giggle was the way Cersei commiserated with Margaery on the terrible conditions she was being held in and said she’d see to it, then told the Head Sparrow the accommodations were more than adequate. She said that about 3 minutes before they flung her into one of the more than adequate cells.
Littlefinger. We were talking about if he was made Lord of the Trident when he was granted Harrenhal. It’s irrelevant that Riverrun is the traditional seat of the Riverlands, what the king says goes. If Littlefinger was Lord of the Trident, and now Walder Frey is Lord of the Trident, then Littlefinger was stripped of titles and the associated income and power. I don’t think that happened.
I think that story was mostly meant to explain just how important the concept of guest protection is in Westoros. After the Red Wedding, I’m sure that a lot of viewers were wondering why Robb would be so stupid to trust Frey. Bran’s story underlines how killing your guests is so beyond the pale that most people would never even consider it a possibility.
Granted, the cut to Frey right after definitely suggests that he’s got a comeuppance on the way, and it is strange that we haven’t seen him in nearly two seasons. Still, it’s not the first time that the show has taken its sweet time dishing out karma. The wicked living on and the good dying off is pretty much par for the course in GoT. Also, said cut may have just been to emphasize that Bran is talking about Frey even though he didn’t know the Red Wedding had happened at that point.
I don’t think he was made Lord of the trident.
Seems a bit much to give someone a title to lands which they don’t own. I’d say an insult or pointless. Warden of the North was not assigned until Robb et co were dead. Lord of the trident was not.
He was not listed as a known lord of the trident according to the wiki for the series. Lord Paramount of the Trident
The wiki which doesn’t exist might not agree, but we are talking about the show, not something which doesn’t exist.
Which could prove an interesting plot since her family can get a little miffed if the dynastic unions they contract don’t go as planned.
I’ve always enjoyed Cersei scenes, she’s entertaining and seems like such a real person. I thought Margaery calling her a hateful bitch was underselling it a bit. The cunt word would’ve been good there.
Do the dragon scenes make any sense or have any cutesy narrative point? It seems to me locking them up in a dark dungeon is animal abuse and they would either hate her or be afraid of her, neither of which seems conducive to using them as weapons of war. Do they see well in the dark or something? I can buy them liking dungeons I guess, but how would she know that? It seems like she just stashed them there because she didn’t know what else to do.
I also don’t understand the point of the big one flying around. At first I thought maybe its obedience would be tied to Dany’s confidence in her political decision making, or be some sort of metaphor for her character, but that doesn’t seem to be the case as far as I can tell.
I’m not asking for How to Train Your Dragon: Westeros Edition, just seems like they could be doing something better with that storyline.
Even Sansa thought the Sam and Gilly sex scene was kinda awkward.
I have a feeling the Arya face changing story won’t be as cool as it seems like it should be. Like it’s going to go on some weird tangent because she’ll totally change her character to really be “nobody” so she won’t even care about the list anymore. Then again, she hid Needle, so that will have to come into play eventually.
That’s how I interpreted it; she was horrified that the farmer’s child was killed by one of her dragons, and so she locked them up until she figured out out to manage or control them. On the other hand, if she uses them in combat, many innocents are going to die. So it’s not as if she can keep her hands clean.
Jaqen H’ghar probably knows she hid it though, right? He found and returned the coin she tossed into the water. He also knew when she lied to him. I’m assuming he knows she hid Needle.
The farmer said Drogon, the still loose dragon killed his toddler. He specifically said the black dragon(thats racist!!) did it.
So essentially Dany did nothing but turn her two good dragons vicious, good job!
Was she even feeding them prior to the dungeon? She should have had a goat herd or something just for them to feed on.
I’d say Roose’s Frey wife is SMART being fat, what with the worst winter in living memory on them, and soon to be ice demons and hordes of zombies roaming around, AND the total lack of food storage.
Of course, knowing what we know of her family, she could BE dinner. I’m sure Ramsay eats more than pork sausage! 
I feel like Frey will be back next season if Ramsey or Cersei are taken out by the end of this season. The show is starting to run low on villains.
The show hasn’t gotten into the details that much, but if the winters in Westeros really do last for years, they must have fairly good food storage methods. (Or perhaps the lands to the east and south don’t experience such harsh winters and they can produce fresh food for Westeros?) Even here on planet Earth, people had to figure out how to survive a winter of three or four months, without being able to plant anything.
They normally might, but it seems like the War of Five Kings has wasted a lot of food and generally been a huge distraction from preparing for winter. There hasn’t been much time, manpower, or resources to start curing their meats, pickling their veggies, and shrubbing their fruit.
On Earth, we’ve developed a lot of really cool methods of preserving food for winter, but we have the benefit of it only lasting a few months and being fairly easy to predict. In Westoros, it sounds like the seasons are far longer and more unpredictable. I wonder how well they can really prepare for winter when it lasts for years on end and varies in length by years from season to season. My guess is that a very large percentage of the Westorosi population dies off during a normal winter.