Game of Thrones 5.09 "The Dance of Dragons" 6/7/15 [Show Discussion]

Pretty sure. I recall it being a fairly small patch to start (maybe 1 x 2 inches), and now it’s part of the length of his forearm. I don’t have screencaps, though.

Screencaps or it didn’t happen.

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Pretty common error in Medieval Fantasy novels. Readers today just cant grok the kind of faith that peoples had in that period, so it is glossed over. Even when the Deities actually occasionally walk the Earth, faith is under represented.

Don’t forget Brienne or Ser Davos. They’re pretty honorable and heroic characters (although not always in the best of causes).

It’s tall, but it’s not that tall. They’d need supplemental oxygen.

Works for me!

Maybe she could get a dress made of the same material as Bruce Banner’s pants?

My money’s on Olly. He’s not happy about the wildlings coming south and will be well-positioned to kill Jon, should it come to that.

As Jeff Stilson said, “You never hear football players say, ‘We were winning the game, and then Jesus made me fumble!’”

No, in Seville, Spain: http://scribblerinseville.com/game-of-thrones-season-5-the-water-gardens-of-dorne-aka-the-alcazar-of-seville/

Agreed. Of course there had to be a looooong, dramatic pause as we wondered if Ser Alliser would do his duty.

Hadn’t thought of that, but you may be right. I also don’t think he bought her excuse about not being able to poison the Gambler, but is willing to let that lie slide… for now.

I thought that, too. Would burning her be enough to propitiate the Lord of Light? If so, she could have volunteered to be burned herself. But I suppose marrying a (potential future) king is not the same as having royal blood from birth.

Yes: http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/mcm/bl113.htm

Uh… he already tried to go directly to KL. Didn’t quite work out.

http://gawker.com/5700997/football-player-blames-god-on-twitter-for-dropped-touchdown-pass

Yes, but going to the Wall is still not a winning move, unless you wish to maintain all along that his plan had been to enlist the Wildlings to his cause. And if he wants to sit on the Iron Throne, he is going to have to take King’s Landing one way or another.

Take another look. G0sp3l wrote “…a 700 hundred foot high wall…” Seven hundred hundred.

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hoist on my own petard, gotta learn to proofread.

Greyscale doesn’t come out of Valyria, they toss people with greyscale in there as some sort of leper colony because the place is already an unlivable shit hole anyways.

Oh, that’s right. I got confused because of the episode with the Stone Men. I forgot that they were imported there.

I thought from the way the Stone Men fought that they had to touch the uninfected person with the part of their body that had grayscale for it to transfer.

That’s unclear. It might just be that they’re particularly contagious by the time their entire epidermis is covered.

I’ve read with great interest the discussion of Stannis’s decision to sacrifice his own daughter. When I saw it on the show I was appalled, of course, and thought he had crossed a line into true monstrousness. I am now persuaded by this thread that it was a terrible but proper decision for him to make.

Stannis genuinely believes that he is the lawful king, and that only he can save the kingdom from the civilization-ending disaster marching down from the frozen north. His army is on the brink of ruin after Ramsay Bolton’s raid. He can’t go forward, and he can’t go back. The Red Priestess tells him she can save the day, but only if he sacrifices Shireen. The priestess has shown, from the smoke-baby attack, surviving a poisoning and (less obviously) the Gendry/leech incident, that she has magical powers. Is she always right? No. Does her magic always work? No. But it’s Stannis’s last chance. The show makes it very clear that he and his army are doomed otherwise. Stannis might have sent his wife and child back with Ser Davos to the (relative, and temporary) safety of Castle Black, but he would then have given up the opportunity to take Melisandre’s advice, sacrifice his daughter, and perhaps save his army, live to fight another day and win his crown.

A terrible choice, a heartbreaking, awful thing to do, but the kind of desperate gamble that a great leader must sometimes take.

It sure doesn’t make me like Stannis any better, though.

I don’t understand why retreating to CB is impossible if Davos can make it. Human beings don’t starve to death instantly, is it more than two weeks march back?

Maybe Stannis and his family can make it, but not his army, and even if they did there’s no food for them, they’d die anyway.

But Castle Black is no place for women and kids. They are not allowed.

What is your name is Gilly & Li’l Sam?

To be honest, I don’t think anyone other than King Crow Snow would mind if Sam were released from his oath and moved away with Gilly and New Sam.

Who are a source of controversy, are they not?

And, in any case, that would mean abandoning all his men, which means Stannis’s plans would fail, which means the World dies.

So yeah, by giving up his men and his honor and the fate of the world, Stannis could save his wife and kid for a few months. the fact that he didnt makes him King material.

Lets say by some miracle Mel comes through and Stannis captures Winterfell.

Now what? What next? He is still in the middle of the worst winter in living memory with ice demons apparently now taking off the kid gloves. Can he even make it out of Winterfell before the dead Bolton soldiers start twitching?

Being holed up in WF for winter seems not much better of a prospect.

Retreating to Castle Black means staying there for the next decade or however long the winter lasts. It means losing his mercenary army and any hope of winning the war. It means no chance to unite the kingdom in time to face the real threat. It’s not simply “lets just try again later”, its basically giving up and waiting to die.