Friend, the Op is just a guideline now. The rule is "No spoilers’ and if you think it’s a critical spoiler, just hit “report this post”.
IMHO, it’s pretty damn impossible for anyone to spoil anything critical now. :eek:
Still, remember, there’s another thread for Spoilers and Book discussion, so such is much better taken there. Please.
I don’t understand why people complain that it was manipulative to make Shireen so friendly and adorable. MOST little girls are friendly and adorable. Myrcella was probably friendly and adorable at that age, although we never got to find out.
It’s not like we never knew that Stannis had a daughter, then she was introduced, was adorable for two episodes, and then was killed.
If the writers deliberately introduced an adorable character way back in season 2, gave her all sorts of meaningful things to do such as teach Davos to read, all so that they could have Stannis sacrifice her 4 years later and it would pack an emotional punch, well, fair play to them, they did their job well. But I don’t see how that qualifies as “manipulative”.
I tried to read the link, but the Huffpost is almost impossible to read unless you let the page sit for ten minutes so it will stop jiggling around while the ads load. I lay off the HuffPo now just because the ads are so annoying.
Shireen’s sweetness chiefly played as a contrast to her detention in the castle keep, or wherever, as well as in her relationship with the illiterate guy she was teaching. Her character worked in several arcs so it’s a bit silly for people to single out one. And, as you say, most little girls like to help people.
More widely, from what I read here Shireen’s death has come sooner than in the books, and that makes much more sense in the context of the tv show. Her death caused both her parents to question their own humanity. While the effect on her mother was clear, you have to think it also played some part in her fathers subsequent decison-making.
Maybe you could argue he was even happy to lose the battle.
Actually, the rules are: “The books do not exist in this thread. No book comparisons, references, anything.”
That’s from the first post in this thread, and the first post in every thread for every episode this season. If people are literate enough to read books, they can damn well be expected to be literate enough to read a couple of sentences.
Sansa and Theon will live - I’ve seen Frozen and that’s how it works.
Were we given any indication that religion was so well regarded in any of the previous seasons? There’s been talk of old gods and new ones, and the Lord of Light, and the many-faced god, but this whole storyline with the church taking over Kings Landing seemed to come out of nowhere. I get that there was a power vacuum and Cersei was meddling with things, but for the Queen and the Queen mum to both be locked up and publicly humiliated without anyone else in the King’s Court stepping in and doing something about it doesn’t seem in keeping with the role of religion in previous seasons. This cult gained a lot of power very quickly.
I may very well have missed things, though.
I don’t think you did. I had much the same response to the sudden accession of the Sparrows as powerful enough to imprison people who ordinarily used armies to settle disputes.
am I the only one who thinks Theon is playing Sansa like Ramsey played him early on after his capture?
and spoiler or not there are about 70million places on line to discuss the books and one to not…why the hell do we have this issue? Its not even the spoilers or the not spoilers, THE BOOKS ARE A DIFFERENT STORY than what we are watching on more than one level. Christ its like having a thread about the Ron Moore BSG and some one endlessly talking about the 80’s one…No one in here is interested.
The OP wishes are only guidelines. OPs don’t actually get to set* board rules.* Many threads go off in directions the OP didn’t anticipate or want.
Mind you, the OP’s wishes should be followed. But not following them is not a violation.
If it’s a spoiler, hit “report this post”. The nice moderators will make a decision.
Hijacking the thread with a argument every time anyone mentions the “B-word” is not helpful.
OK. Like, I get that Cersei gave them the permission to start doing that stuff, but busting up the brothels and other fun establishments seems like it should have raised the ire of the population at large. I expected there to be some kind of backlash, with the crown being forced to beat down the Sparrows in order to restore order. Instead, everyone just seems to be OK with it.
The wiki has some background that I found helpful in understanding it (POSSIBLE SPOILERS), but I don’t think any of it was really made clear in the show.
From what I remember, there were no Miracles in the early Seasons. However, the Faith was always there and important.
But note that the People in Kings Landing have been especially downtrodden by a series of wars, rebellions, starvation and bad leadership.
King Tommen is too young and wishy-washy to do anything on his own.
And then on top of that, someone comes in and busts up their brothels and bars? You’d think they’d be demanding that the Sparrows be quelled.
I guess I expect him to still have competent advisers left, but who’s still there?
So where are we now headed into next season.
2 heirs to the throne. Tommen who everyone sees as being illegitimate and Dany. Ther than Tommen the Baratheon line is completely wiped out. “You know nothing” Jon Snow is dead thus making the is he / isn’t he a Targaryen moot.
Kevan Lannister.
Hijacking the thread with the mention of the B-word is not helpful either and is expressly laid out in the OP and if it were avoided like requested in the op then this type of post would never happen.
Hell this conversation has only been going on for 5 years now,
(it’s taking longer than we thought)
I agree, that whole storyline was rushed and somewhat clumsy. My fanwank is that there is a bunch of general resentment among the common people towards the nobility (which we know is true), and the sparrows have done a very good political job of getting the common people on their side, and they’re not closing down the workingmen’s brothels, just the excessively ornate and rich ones that are part and parcel of the corruption of the wealthy, etc.
I will be fairly surprised if, at the end of the series, there IS an Iron Throne with any kind of direct-line-descent from the power that Robert Baratheon wielded at the beginning of the series. Maybe Dany comes in and takes over via military might. Maybe there are massive revolutions and a total overthrow, possibly kindled from Dorne. Maybe the war against the White Walkers is so catastrophic that it destroys all existing power structures and we end up seeing what is built up from the ruins.
But arguments over Tommen Baratheon/Lannister’s legitimacy will be moot in short order.
Didn’t he leave when Cersei asked him to be the hand?
Yes, but he was waiting for her when she completed her walk of shame.