They sure looked softened up didn’t they? Stannis somehow made it back to…somewhere where there weren’t a lot of troops…despite leading the charge. Ramsey didn’t have a lot of guys around him.
Who were all those horseman surrounding Blondie?
I might like Jon Snow better if he gets a drastic personality change and forgets his past like good old six deaths Beric Dondarrion.
Dothraki, obviously. I don’t know how much sway her status as Khaleesi to a dead Khal will hold with them, especially considering their generally low opinion of women, but I’m sure she’ll wriggle her way out (in fact she might even win them over to her cause, somehow). It helps that she still has the dragon with her.
I agree. We didnt see Stannis dead. GoT is not exactly backwards in coming forwards when showing main characters dead. Why the exception with Stannis? Plus, even when they are shown dead we can’t be sure he/she is entirely bumped off(though I doubt Stannis will get such a resurrection).
It’s GoT. It can be sentimental and melodramatic when it wishes to be.
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She had a very good reason not to kill him. Before she swung her sword, he admitted flat-out to killing Renly with blood magic. Most of the realm knows she was with Renly when he died and understandably does not believe her story about a “shadow” killing him. This is grievously hurtful to her because she loved Renly dearly. She wants to clear her name.
She also needs a purpose, now that Sansa doesn’t want anything to do with her. So she and Pod will be trotting around with him as a prisoner next season, I’m sure. Probably taking him to King’s Landing. Or perhaps back to Highgarden.
Is there going to be anyone left alive when the WW get to King’s Landing?
In regards to Jon Snow’s untimely death, remember that in stories a character’s death is not pointless if the consequences of his choices still matter. Besides, in real life don’t the peacemakers often die?
I don’t know if the show broke the internet, but the show might have broken itself. I’m not sure who is supposed to drive the story in the next season. They’ll need to spend the first half of next season just pulling a story back together, because right now everything is kinda fragmented.
Looking at it like that, and Jon is really dead dead, I can see two ways his plot mattered to the larger fight.
1.The wildings are past the wall, there are a ton of witnesses to the battle of Hardhome who can flee south and spread the info about the walkers and wights and their weakness.
2.Sam is going to the center of learning in Westeros, he knows two vital things that currently no one south of the wall knows which is obsidian and Valarian steel kill walkers. Sam relaying this to the measters could be vital in the fight to come.
Another example of wonderfully weaved storylines. Genuinely difficult to know where to start. What does Jamie’s daughter do now, stuck on that boat …
Ayra and the many faced stuff drives me batshit. Can’t work out the allegory or whatever is going on there.
Who does Mel team up with?
Agree with whoever said it, great to see Reet find some metaphorical balls.
The Cersai story was very interesting. There’s atonement and there’s humiliation, and there’s what the did to her. At least she now knows what the Lannisters are up against.
Powerful team building up at Marine. It’s like Oceans 11 or something.
Yep, those are Jon’s two main legacies. Of course, if Martin is as bloody-minded as some seem to think, Sam’s dead in episode one of the next season and the white walkers make short work of the wildlings and the Watch.
But that just reminds us that Martin is different from most fantasy writers. We still don’t actually know what this story is about. It’s kinda like Lost in that way, although unlike the Lost writers, Martin knows what story he’s trying to tell. And unlike Lost, I’m sure all of this stuff will be important when we get to the end.
Brienne caled Renly the rightful king of Westeros, by what logic?
If you don’t accept Robert as a rightful king, then Dany is the rightful queen.
If you do accept Robert, then Tommen is the rightful king, unless you don’t accept him because he’s clearly not Robert’s son, then it’s Stannis.
I can understand Renly taking the chance to sieze the throne and Brienne (and 20,000 others) following him as the best of a bad bunch, but by what logic is he “rightful”?
Because she served him, so he’s always right.
I’m reminded of a lot of the themes of Battlestar Galactica. The show often raised the question of whether humanity deserved to be saved. For the people of Westeros, I’d say the answer is a pretty resounding “no”. Honestly, at this point the natural conclusion of the story is for the White Walkers to overrun the continent.
No idea if Jon is coming back or not. Having the actor say the character is dead for good is a pretty reliable way to help a major character death land before reversing it, so I don’t think it’s definitive. They’ve laid the groundwork to bring him back if they want, whether they do or not is just guesswork at this point.
Stannis is probably gone, but the show has had a pretty good track record of pairing Brienne up with unlikely traveling companions so I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of another buddy road trip. But he definitely reached the natural end of his story so he’s probably gone. I wonder who Ser Davos is going to offer his services to next.
I had really been hoping this would be the end for the Boltons. Their sheer monstrosity is difficult for me to watch. The thoughts of what they do to people are haunting. There’s no way for someone like Ramsay to get the punishment he deserves, but I had hoped he would at least be stopped.
Cersei’s atonement was pretty nasty, but she’s caused so much worse suffering to so many more people that it still wasn’t enough to get me feeling sympathetic to her.
Sansa and Theon’s jump looked way too high to survive, didn’t it? I thought it was fifty or a hundred feet.
I didn’t like this episode because of all the ambiguous deaths. Either almost everyone I care about is dead, or they’re going to bring back someone who we thought died. That’s a cheap trick I wouldn’t expect from a show this good. It lessens the impact of every death of they do that sort of thing. Are they going to subtitle the next season “Game of Thrones 3: the Search for Stark”, or the Search for Snow if Melisandre somehow revives him?
I also didn’t like the zombie Mountain. It seems pointless and cheesy. One thing I like about this show is that it has less magic than other fantasy shows, which makes it easier to suspend disbelief than something like Lord of the Rings. I can’t see how one zombie knight can add anything to the story, especially considering how formidable he was already.
Could someone explain to me just WTF happened in the Arya scene?
Also the visual of the blonde girl with Jacquen’s head made me laugh out loud, but I think it was supposed to be serious.
So Arya’s mentor KILLED HIMSELF because his pupil misbehaved?! If their cult worships death so much, why not all commit suicide tomorrow? If you love death so much it is the obvious answer.
Did Arya hallucinate much of the scene?
She has no powers of resurrection. We’ve seen her explicitly say that resurrection isn’t possible.
Not to say she can’t learn it, though I’m doubtful since she just lost all her faith. But one thing we can say for sure is that to this point, Melisandre does not and has never had the power of resurrection.
Yeah, but Thoros thought the same before he raised Beric Dondarrion. When he meets Melisandre in series 3 he says:
*"I’ve always been a terrible priest. Drank too much rum. Fucked all the whores in King’s Landing. It’s a terrible thing to say, but… by the time I came to Westeros, I didn’t believe in our Lord. I decided that He, that all the gods, were stories we told the children to make them behave. So I wore the robes, and every now and then, I’d recite the prayers. It was just for show. A spectacle for the locals. Until the Mountain drove a lance through this one’s heart.
I knelt beside his cold body, and said the old words. Not because I believed in them, but… he was my friend. And he was dead. And they were the only words I knew. And for the first time in my life, the Lord replied. Beric’s eyes opened. And I knew the truth: our God is the one true God… and all men must serve Him. "*
He didn’t think resurrection was possible either, right up to the moment it happened.
Also, if one were to be picky about it, Melisandre never actually says that resurrection per se is impossible. Strictly speaking, she only says that it’s impossible to be resurrected as many times as Beric was.
*"Melisandre: [to Thoros] How many times has the Lord brought him back?
Thoros of Myr: Six.
[Melisandre looks shocked]
Melisandre: That’s not possible."*
So she kind of implies in her first line that resurrection is possible, just not to that extent.