If that was the case, why didn’t Lancel confess as soon as he converted? Why didn’t the Sparrow arrest Cercei earlier? The “handsome young man” is clearly Lancel.
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The same thing he gave Cersie is another handsome young man. This time in the form of Lancel Lanister. Lancel was waiting to confess because of whatever deal he had with Baelish.
I will freely admit this was not made all that clear in the show but the conversations between those three parties together with the Queens arrest shortly after and the High Sparrow talking about how long of a struggle Lancel had had in confessing all of his sins paints a pretty clear picture. Baelish is trying to create all the chaos that he can so he can keep climbing that ladder.
On a somewhat related note Little Finger promised Cersie he would take care of the Bolton rebels in Winterfel with the Knights of the Vale as his army after he arranged the marriage of Sansa to one of those same Boltons. When we next see him I will not be surprised to find him either leading that army or arranging even more Chaos between the North and Kings Landing.
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You’re ignoring all of her conversations from season 1 - season 4. Yeah, that one conversation… the rest is all “I am the blood of the dragon, give me my due”
What about the masters retaking all the cities and killing all the rebels? Sounds lovely.
What reasons are those? Or are you just assuming?
Like I said, you can make up your own interpretation and ignore what she’s saying now.
It hasn’t happened in Mereen.
What reasons do you have to think that it can? Or are you just assuming?
I’m not ignoring what she’s saying now. Not at all. She wants to install a new system. With herself in charge. In a country that she will have to violently overthrow. Where she doesn’t know anyone or any customs, and has shown no capacity for effective rule. I’m sure she thinks her rule will benefit the populous of Westeros; that’s irrelevant. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No, there’s just a violent insurgency where thousands of people are being murdered and fleets burned at anchor. But lets say Meeren is fine. One outta three ain’t bad, right?
Well, that’s how it was said it’s spread in the show. That’s how you said it was spread upthread.
You said you have reasons why it wasn’t dangerous. Instead of answering you’re trying to throw the question back at me. Again, is there reason to believe he wasn’t reckless in touching Dany? Shireen got it from a doll. Jorah deliberately makes skin to skin contact. Totally selfish and reckless from my vantage point.
Yes you are.
It’s better than it was for the slaves.
Which you haven’t satisfactorily answered.
Going back to the episode (before we move on to ep3), I think the thing that bothered me most about Jon’s resurrection was the means by which it happened.
The onion knight just knocking on her door and asking if she could see her way to bringing Jon back from the dead.
I guess, yeah if I was him, having seen all he’s seen, I’d think to try that.
But I expected in the show that it would either happen more organically, or otherwise with some interesting reason in the story (e.g. the red woman reveals she arrived specifically because she knew he’d die and it’s all part of a plan and such).
I agree, Mijin. It seemed a little too direct. “Oh, hey, can you raise the dead? Because I’ve seen you do non-raising-dead things and was just wondering if you can raise the dead as well because we could really use that about now, y’know?”
I think it would have worked better for me if Ser Davos had been more emotional and desperate about it. Imagine that he’s truly despairing - Stannis is dead. Shireen is dead. And now Jon Snow is dead too. (Plus, he co-signed on that giant loan from the Bank of Bravos.) In his grief, he grasps at even the most remote chance of supernatural help. He begs the Red Woman for any magic at all: "Do you know of any magic that would help against the White Walkers? Can you enchant our weapons? Can you use persuasion magic to at least help bring the tattered remains of the Night’s Watch together again? Seven Hells, can you at least help the Night’s Watch fill their dwindling larder somehow? I know you can’t bring Jon back, but without him they are truly lost. I’ve seen you perform miracles - "
He sees a look on her face as he mentions bringing Jon back. “Can you? Bring him back I mean?” he asks desperately.
“No,” she says softly, almost to herself.
Tears in his eyes, Davos begs, “Gods damn it woman! Can you bring him back?”
The rest could play out more or less as it did in the show, except I think it would feel more desperate and would have more weight regardless of the result of the resurrection itself.
Also, it seemed too easy. Shouldn’t there be some horrible sacrifice or ordeal involved? Now I don’t see why she shouldn’t revive every stiff in the general area.
It was just that easy when Thoros of Myr did it to Beric Dondarrion for the sixth or seventh time. So they set it up way back in season two, I think. Mellissandre even witnessed it.
Yeah so this is the thing, it lowers the shock value when a “good” character dies now, because there’s always a chance they can come back. They need to explain why it was a one off thing, or there needs to be some horrible price that’s paid to achieve it. I’m guessing it only works on specific individuals that the lord of light has plans for, but as it stands right now yeah there’s no reason they shouldn’t try and bring back anyone that dies.
That’s only if you think that all the mechanisms of magic have been revealed in the story and that it is as reliable and predictable as science and technology.
But I don’t think it has. It has never been shown definitively that V type of person possessing W materials and X knowledge can use Y technique to produce Z magical result. So there’s no reason to believe that red-surrection is always available to save a hero.
The red priest(esse)s certainly aren’t shown to definitively understand how their magic works and what the true source of the power is and what that source’s motivations and desires are.
What is clear is that resurrection by a red priest was introduced like Chekhov’s gun with Beric Dondarrion and when Jon Snow was killed it was clear that this was the reason why it was introduced. This isn’t a weakness in the story.
Nevermind
I’ve been wondering why such a relatively minor character like Beric was raised repeatedly for no particular reason relative to the plot. Now it looks like the main reason was to introduce the notion that red priests can resurrect people.
Neither Thoros nor Melisandre really know how it works, or whether it will work on just anyone. Presumably other members of the Brotherhood without Banners have died but it’s not indicated that Thoros has raised anyone else.