I think Littlefinger has his spies/allies/whatever everywhere, especially in King’s Landing. So he still knows stuff and can influence events.
I don’t think Jon has really made any bad decisions since becoming King of the North. Reconciling with the Umbers and Karstarks probably makes sense. Unlike the Boltons or Littlefinger we haven’t seen anything inherently untrustworthy about them and their betrayal was largely due to Rob’s hamfisted handling of Rickard Karstark.
Rob also knows that just keeping the status quo and playing it safe is a doomed strategy. Eventually the White Walkers are going to overrun everyone.
I’m kind of surprised no one has discussed how well the Unsullied and Dothraki will do in the Westeros winter, given that they’ve only known the deserts of Essos.
The sea battle felt a little bit like an ex machina to me. How did Euron find Yara’s fleet? Even if they just happened across each other, how did no one see Euron’s fleet approaching? And don’t say “night” or “fog” because then we are back to the first question.
Olenna mentioned it to Danarys during their conversation.
Someone also mentioned something about Cercei blowing them up.
I suppose anyone of importance in Kings Landing who would have mentioned it was already blow’d up.
Maybe he was pulling a Conner4Real?
I was thinking at one point when Cersei was onscreen, and the mountain being close by that ultimately Arya’s attempt on Cersei was doomed by the wildcard of a zombie guarding her…
Maybe she’s got a bunch of killing to be done before that.
Or if she was a real type of assassin like that she’d know about the weird silent “previously thought to be dead” guard because she’d do her research and due dilligence before that.
I also wondered what they’ll do with all the filler time now that they’ve killed off all the B plot characters at the end…
Except Sam…
Yara and her fleet were on a cruise down to pick up (or drop off, not really clear on the timeline there) the Dornish army and getting her bisexual freak on. They weren’t really expecting trouble and I don’t think even knew about the giant fleet Euron magically had built. On the other hand, Euron had spent years working as a very successful pirate and was actively hunting Yara’s fleet. It is not that surprising that Euron caught Yara’s fleet flatfooted.
Euron was sailing from kings landing to dragonstone, Yara was sailing from dragonstone to kings landing, finding each other was a given pretty much. You do have a point on the rest though.
It’s an interesting question, but I don’t think Jamie will stand for the torture, even of his daughter’s murderer. He had enough of that under the Mad King. For all the crap he’s taken about it, I think he wishes he’d killed Aerys sooner than he did.
I wonder if he knows about Sister Shame?
OMG, the transition from the pus to the pot pie. Ulgh!! One of my favorite things about my old neighborhood in Annandale, VA, was you could order a pot pie delivery as easy as a pizza, and they were always outstanding. My first thought was “They’ll be out of business by August.”
They made me physically gag two weeks in a row! I get the impression that one of the exec.s is trying to win a bar bet, that he can make his audience gag, laugh, and weep five weeks in a row.
I so wanted Arya to at least give Nymeria a long hug before they parted. I guess the CGI would have been too expensive?
Jon’s mistake was underestimating Littlefinger, which is pretty much everyone who has ever tangled with him’s mistake. Varys is the only person who ever realized how dangerous Littlefinger is. To Jon Littlefinger delivered the knights of the vale and now that they have pledged to support him, he no longer needs Littlefinger. An understandable mistake, especially for a Stark.
I’m excited that the last sand snake is going to the same place Ser Bronn of the Blackwater is. I hope they renew acquaintances.
Hot Pie asked Arya if she was going to see the Sept the Queen blew up. Did anyone mention what a great day Arya had? Saw an old friend, had delicious pie, saw an even older good friend, found out she wasn’t homeless and family-less, and was sincerely called “pretty”.
Question for debate: Who would win a “Had the worst time since dad died” debate? Arya or Sansa?
Anyone else worried about the fact that the Starks are heading towards a reunion again? Outside of Sansa and Jon, whenever that gets close to happening, someone gets murdered.
Asked who? No one at Winterfell or anywhere nearer than the Wall has seen Bran in years. No one has any idea what happened to Bran since he went beyond the Wall.
Sam isn’t going to finish his Maester’s training, is my guess. I suppose he’ll be Jon’s version of Cersei’s Qyburn, kicked out of the Citadel for doing his own thing. And anyway, forging a maester’s chain takes years, and Sam and Jon don’t have years. Maybe he can finish his degree after the war, best case scenario? Assuming the Archmaesters can forgive him for breaking the rules to save the world, and I’m not so convinced they will.
I don’t get it either. There should have at least been some warning, rather than go from making out to hand to hand battle in a split-second. That’s not how naval battles work. You can see people coming a long way at sea. Granted, if Euron extinguished all the lights in his fleet, he could sneak up pretty close to Yara’s fleet in the dark of night, but he still couldn’t get so close as to ram the freaking admiral’s ship before she even got a warning. Don’t they have lookouts?
The only thing I can think is that Euron has some powerful dark magic on his side, but have they introduced that aspect of his character at all? So far he’s just a murderous asshole with a fleet of ships full of other murderous assholes, right?
Well I did notice that as soon as Arya finds out Jon is King in the North, he leaves town. She’ll be happy to see her sister, but not nearly as happy as she’ll be to see Jon. And that Northern Lord was right, going south has historically been a bad idea for Lords and Kings of Winterfell. I wonder if Arya ever will reunite with Jon?
Also, my girlfriend pointed out Dany’s war council was almost all women, and then I thought about it some more and noted that three of the four men in that room were eunuchs with no penises or testicles.
Tyrion is the only one “intact”, and even that was a close call, too, considering the slaver who wanted to sell his “magical” dwarf penis.
But Rickon and Bran were supposedly killed together. Rickon was alive. You’d expect there to be some discussion by folks living the show and not watching the show “Hey if someone had Rickon… did they also have Bran?”
It looks like confusion as to what the travel plan was–I thought Yara was taking the Ellyaria back to Dorne to raise the actual Dornish army in order to march them to King’s landing to begin the siege … but was it sailing to the king’s landing area WITH the army in order to start the siege when they were attacked? Seems weird that there wouldn’t be any Dornish troops on the ship.
That also sounds like bad planning, right? At least get the Unsullied around the g-damn continent and siege Casterly Rock so the Lannister army is occupied and can’t even attempt to break the siege–since travel time is plot based–more coordination people!
It also makes Dorne as a participant more interesting now… essentially Ellyaria staged a coup and took over… she is now out of the picture. Are there other houses that will stand up on either side or will they sit this one out?
Sam’s scenes are important and interesting–they give exposition, they give humor and they move the plot forward. I don’t know what people think they are watching when they complain about those scenes.
Stark men really need to start learning to say “Sorry.” when they freak out. Jon knows Littlefinger handed Sansa over to the Boltons AND also that Littlefinger wants to fuck Sansa. Sansa and Jon have a complicated relationship but on either side of the coin Jon knows Littlefinger is trouble.
Jon handled the situation with the lords perfectly by handing over rule to Sansa while he is gone.
I’m wondering if Theon jumping into the water was supposed to appear like a slide back to Reek, but in reality, he’s just doing the smart thing. If he attacks Euron he probably dies (or at least, Yara does), and if he stays he just gets taken prisoner or killed. Jumping into the water, maybe he can find help somewhere else.
Will Arya’s scene with Nymeria make her decide to not go back to Winterfell?
Remaining Umbers? Send out a search party?
Rickon had not been seen for years either. The assumption was that Theon killed them. Now that it was known (not heard that for a bit) that wasn’t true, and Umbers had them perhaps someone might know. Maesters? Relatives? Last known location? Where was he heading?
I guess there’s just bits where you go, “well, the writers forgot about that”
Arya never asks or cares about Sansa, and Sansa never asks or cares about Arya. It’s harsh, but it seems to have held true.
Both have enquired about others, Catelyn, Robb, Jon Snow. Jon has cared about Arya. Sansa doesn’t. There was no mention of Sansa with hot pie, and no asking from Arya about where Sansa was, or last seen.
I assume this was just they seemed to hate each other from the start…
I assume their meeting will go “Oh you.”
Arya and Sansa weren’t close. But they’re still sisters who both suffered through unbelievable amounts of related trauma since they last saw each other, both of whom desperately miss having a family. I can’t imagine they won’t have a tearful and huggy reunion.
So far I think this season has been an improvement over the last, which had lots of people doing stupid things for plot reasons. This season we’ve had stuff that made no logistical sense (Euron’s ship showing up out of nowhere, no security at all as Dany entered a totally empty Dragonstone) but it’s been, if nothing else, at least more easily fanwankable.
I could be wrong but Sansa did acknowledge on screen that she just accepts that Arya’s dead and has moved on from it.