Why do so many people assume it was just one night that they were stuck on the island? It takes a number of days/nights of normal freezing conditions to form a thick layer of ice on a lake, sufficient to support an army charging*. Which would correlate with the time required for Gendry, the raven and Dany.
not unlike the Dutch mass skating event in Friesland, which can be held less than once a decade on average because it takes so long to freeze over the lakes and canals to acceptable thickness.
It’s unclear to us how much the Night King really knows, and how he knows it (greenseeing, as postulated, isn’t outside the realm of possibility, but I don’t think we can say that he has that ability for certain). Clearly the WWs are intelligent, but they aren’t exactly big communicators. Even if he has a good idea of who Jon Snow is though (and it’s possible he doesn’t), that doesn’t necessarily mean he thinks he’s a major threat. The main goal here was definitely to get that dragon. Of course, that does mean he must have some knowledge of things he hasn’t seen himself.
I’m sure he has time, and has seen it (come on, who in that position wouldn’t?). More likely he’s getting embarrassed about the show and doesn’t want to talk about it.
What are other shows that went beyond the books? One example is Dexter , the first season was based on first Dexter book but after that the show had no relation to books.
We saw them wake up once, and once only. (Well, most of them). They apparently had no food. They apparently lit no fire. To spend 3 or 4 days in sub-zero conditions without shelter, food or fire poses its own survival challenges, none of which were addressed. If the show wants us to feel that that several days have passed, it needs to show us the passage of time in some way. Even a throwaway line of “It’s been 3 days. No one is coming for us” would have accomplished that. A simple, “Fuck’s sake, Tormund, it’s my turn to be the big spoon” would have established that a) we were into at least night 2 and b) they were using shared body warmth to conserve energy. But we got none of this. We just got one dawn, which implies a max of 2 days.
These are magical ice wizards our heroes are up against. They could have frozen that entire lake solid from top to bottom whenever they wanted to. They chose not to, because they didn’t just want to kill yet another handful of vulnerable meatbags, they wanted to wait for the magic armored fighter jet.
I had some hope that it’d be exciting to watch a couple of episodes in a row after my vacation - no. And this adolescent fan fiction kitsch was the worst of the season, maybe the series (well, so far).
It has been apparent for quite a while that the show runners are out of their depth, but it’s painfully obvious now as well that they don’t care anymore. They are bored. They want to gone on. Fine. Do that. Leave the final season in someone else’s hands. Please.
True. But presumably the ice wizard can only throw his magic spear so far. So the dragon needed to swoop in close, and wouldn’t have if there were no meatbags to save. I don’t know, that’s the most sense I can make of it.
I rewatched the ep again and then immediately rewatched the Hardhome battle sequence and a few things really stand out. The direction in this episode was just really really poor. In a great number of scenes in this episode, the framing of the shots are just our heroes thrusting into something off screen. You really can’t get a sense of time or place and while I understand artistically this could be done to give that unsettling feeling for the viewer, in this I really think it was just poor choices.
Also, there is one establishing shot where Jorah is using two dragonglass daggers, but did you know all the other people were using dragonglass too? During the initial viewing, the person I was with commented that these wights seem pretty wussy. I speculated that maybe they were using dragonglass, but you couldn’t really tell. On second viewing, in the background, you can see Tormund with a dragonglass axe, and at some point the Hound switches weapons, but man it’s not well established at all. Directorally you would think they would mention or show those weapons somehow.
Another nitpick - the first throw of the rock by the Hound hit a wight square. His second throw, came up what looked like 50 yards short. The disparity for the sake of that plot element was jarring.
Compare this fight to Hardhome. In that episode, there were numerous establishing shots that gave a sense of geography. Even minor characters got some screentime to give a feel that these were actual humans and not just red shirts. The fighting was shot wider so you could see the action and what was happening. And even at the end with Jon and company rowing away, the Night King didn’t remember that he can throw things.
If I remember correctly, the first throw was a medium sized stone, and the second was a much larger rock. I think most people can throw a stone further than a rock.
This is so true. I could not see who was getting attacked by the bear, and didn’t know the bear was undead until halfway through, I thought Tormund was dead three times, and the Hound twice. I never picked up on them having dragonglass at all. Every other fight scene or battle in the series has been great so it especially stands out. I guess they ran out of time.
Because for a show that says dragons are real and magic is real and people are immune to fire and people can have shadow babies that murder other people and magic snow people can live for 8000 years and raise the dead and people can die at least 6 times and be brought back from the dead it is absolutely fucking crazy ass insane to have an animal be anything other than exactly the same as it is in the real world because only real things that are real are shown on this show.
I thought they were similar size, but I could be mistaken on that. Maybe I’ll rewatch a third time Even if that were true though, then that’s just bad tactical choices by the Hound. Why would he select a larger rock that fell so short of his target? He had to know he couldn’t throw it that far, it’s not like it was a near miss. This is an ultra nitpick I know, but damn I want a smart show.
The books that tell us how the names are spelled. Unless I missed the episodes where it was pointed out how each named was spelled. What episode was it shown that “Jon Snow” is spelled “Jon Snow” and not “John Snow”?
Certain posters keep maintaining that names are spelled a certain way. I must have missed those episodes where it was shown or told how to specifically spell those names.
You must be new here, how cute. The spelling enforcers also use IMDB, HBO’s GoT website, and other sources other than the books to derive the proper spellings. Stay edgy out there!
The problem from my pov with this solution is that it is the tired “deal with the hive mind by killing the queen (well, king)”-trope. It was too old to be done again when the ice zombies were called the Borg.
It might be a figment of my imagination, but it looked to me as if they had changed the Night King’s face to resemble Bran’s more - which, of course, is one of the most discussed theories about his true identity.
I can’t watch this as it airs (VERY early Monday morning gym class) so I’m a bit late to the party. FWIW, this is my theory.
One of the big themes is GoT is mothers love their children. Cersei, for all her faults, loved her children and would do anything to protect them. Cat started a war because an assassin tried to kill Bran. Dany is going to open up a big can of whoop-ass north of The Wall because she lost one of her “children.”
I submit Viserion is not going to attack his mother. He may be a turned dragon, but Dany is his mother and she loves him. That’s how we’re going to get ice AND fire.
Even if that were true though, then that’s just bad tactical choices by the Hound. Why would he select a larger rock that fell so short of his target? He had to know he couldn’t throw it that far, it’s not like it was a near miss. This is an ultra nitpick I know, but damn I want a smart show.