Either way, neither rock was big enough to indicate that the ice was strong enough for a person, let alone an army to walk across it.
Not YouTube subtitles. Those things mangle GoT names hideously. Usually.
Faces for faceless men come from dead people, never the living. The one time we saw the face of a living person was when Arya saw her own face while tripping balls on the poison effect from wearing a face while not actually a faceless man herself.
The second rock was way the hell bigger than the first, when the second rock skidded across the ice the WW took notice and sent in a few of the dead to test the ice, then progressively more and more of them as they saw it holding up.
The Hound smashed the hell out of a wight with Gendry’s hammer, a few seconds later it stood back up thus prompting his switch to dragon glass weapons.
Nights King killed one of the flying dragons in part because it was causing massive amounts of actual death to his army, He took the shot to kill the dragon doing the most damage over killing the much easier target on the ground because it wasn’t currently massacring the hell out of his army. You guys need to play more fps games.
(also I have doubts about burning a dead dragon. Is there some reason to think they become not fire immune on death?)
Arya, Sansa, That fucking dagger…I got nothing, and I fear we are in for a repeat of the GoT version of T2 this time with Littlefinger being the one getting chased by Arya who is now playing the role of the waif.
Fuck Cersie.
My mistake. Ep5 reply is that way ->
That’s Jaime’s job.
The things you mention (other than the shadow baby, which is one of the worst parts of the whole series) are fairly well established. We’re asked to accept those as part of the premise. But it’s reasonable to assume that everything else works like we expect it to until we’re told to accept otherwise as part of the premise.
So we accept that if we see a carrot, it’s probably a tasty snack, not a hand grenade. If we see a regular peasant traveling across the roads, he’s walking or riding a horse, not flying like superman.
“What do you expect guys, this show has dragons!” as a lame copout excuse to cover for every bit of bad writing or inconsistent storytelling. Being a fantasy world doesn’t give it a free pass from plot holes or flaws of storytelling. A lot of people think it does, though, which is why about 95%+ of the fantasy genre is garbage.
I’ve been trying without success to find someone who has tried to work out the Night King’s unbelievable strength, although I did find an Olympic javelin thrower’s analysis of his form. If you assume that the spear is entirely made of ice and is 80 inches long and 3 inches in diameter, that gives you a weight of very roughly 20 pounds, and if the javelin thrower is correct in the distance he can throw that about a kilometer. Something to keep in mind when someone inevitably gets into a sword fight with that guy next season - I think trying to parry his blows would be likely to tear your arms off or just end with your body getting mashed into paste.
I realize I’m probably putting more thought into that than the showrunners did, but I can’t help it.
Ah, yes, that leads to another inconsistency. When Jon fought a white walker at hardhome, they were both surprised to find that when his Valyrian steel sword came in contact with the ice weapon, it shattered. But in this episode there are several times those weapons make contact again and nothing happens.
With a WW’s weapon? Or a wight’s weapon? I was looking for the same thing, but can’t remember.
Another meaningless prediction: the new ice dragon will be renamed Winter. “Winter is coming.”
The scene where they launch their ambush on the isolated group of wights controlled by 1 walker. Jon fights the walker, and several times during the fight their weapons clash. In previous instances, Valyrian Steel shatters the ice weapons, but not this time.
in previous fights the weapon blocked the WW’s weapon and didnt shatter itself.
The only time the white walker weapon was used in this ep was he ambush where the single wight was captured, right? At Hardhome, the ice weapon didn’t shatter. Both Jon and the white walker seemed surprised that the sword didn’t shatter because just prior the ice weapon shattered the normal axe that the Thenn was wielding, and Jon’s rando sword he picked up. When Jon got back Longclaw, in the momemt of surprise Jon was able to strike the walker and killed him.
Oh, I made a mistake. The ice weapon had previously shattered normal steel weapons, and so when the Valyrian steel sword didn’t shatter, it was a surprise. The surprise wasn’t that the ice weapon shattered. My bad.
What do you mean? An African or European raven?
Please keep Presidential politics out of this thread.
OK, I snerked.
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Uhhhh …d’oh!
Ok, help me out here if you could. Can you point me to any examples of
- scenes of ravens flying so we can judge their speed of travel.
- A scene where someone mentions the slowness of ravens travel ( even something like, well we sent a raven from x to y and that should take an x period of time.
I don’t recall either of these things but 2 is one that I may have missed. If these don’t exist I’m not sure we have any idea what these things can accomplish. We can assume things are exactly like Earth unless specifically noted but I can’t think of a book or tv show that notes every minute difference between things in their world and the real world before they became relevant . That would make for a rather boring and even more predictable story…
Now do I believe that the show creators even gave one thought to the airspeed of ravens or dragons? No, but not because they didn’t tell us in advance the speed these things fly. I see it more as the writers need to spend more time on completing the story and less on crafting explanations that make perfect sense. This isn’t new and it isn’t a “genre trope” it’s how storytelling is done.
Here is another thing. If the writers had known 7 years ago exactly where the show was going to end they could have thrown in a line or two about the raven speed which would have changed zero in the story but made everyone happy that they had foreshadowed this minute meaningless detail but I really don’t think 7 years ago anyone had this exact plot ( from a book series that wasn’t completed ) in mind and I don’t blame them for not adding in the raven physiology information then and since it doesn’t affect the story in any significant way throughout the entire story I can see pointing out how jarring it was and being disappointed in it’s presentation ( which I was ) but in the end it really doesn’t affect my enjoyment of the season or the show.
I don’t think the show has ever stated the speed of ravens directly, but we can deduce their average speed through other means. In season one, after Catelyn arrests Tyrion, Yoren of the Night’s Watch races to King’s Landing to inform Ned Stark of the news, “nearly killing my horse in the process.” He tells Ned that “the whole city will know by tomorrow,” with the information presumably sent by ravens.
A horse’s top speed is 55 mph, but that can only be maintained for very short distances. A more reasonable speed would be a gallop at 25 to 30 mph, perhaps up to 35, since Yoren did say that he nearly killed his horse. There’s no reason to believe that Westerosi horses are any slower or faster than real-world ones. So from those facts, we can deduce that ravens fly at somewhat slower speed than 35 mph.