Game of Thrones 8.05 "The Bells" 5/12/19 [Show discussion]

It would be one thing if her rage led her to shoot for the Red Keep and kill Cersei. But instead, she started torching the city, street-by-street, building-by-building. What led her to do that?

If you mean the soldiers at the gates of the city, that was the Golden Company’s weird ass helmets.

That’s his backstory. He was a smuggler, and when the Tyrells were starving out Stannis and Storm’s end during Robert’s Rebellion, Davos smuggled onions into the city to keep them from starving. For this, Stannis cut off Davos’s fingertips for breaking the law, and then also gave him a lordship as reward for saving Storm’s End. Davos chose an onion as his sigil, and that’s why he’s also sometimes called “The Onion Knight”. He also smuggled Mellisandre and her shadow baby into the sewers beneath Storm’s End during the War of the Five Kings.

That is his profession, from about season 2.

She kept saying that the folks in King’s Landing were siding with Cersei because they weren’t rioting in the streets and agitating for Dany to be Queen and Tyrion had to remind her that they were afraid. So I can easily see her going back to that idea that everyone was complicit.

No, I mean the Lannisters inside the city. I guess I just never noticed those visors covering their eyes hinged outwards like wings. It looked weird to me.

Jaimes hand is found in the rubble. At this point Tyrion is no more inclined to justify his actions then Dany will be. He dies a very anti-climatic death and because he backed the wrong horse (not that there is a right one) he wont give a shit.

Millions of people moan on Twitter. The Burlington Bar people who are probably very conflicted by the last ep will be even more confused.

While not a STRAIGHT metaphor for American jingoism (This is a character driven show and not as much a metaphor driven one) its so very AMERICAN that the reaction to this ep and DnDs scathing indictment of war, and not knowing you’re backing the wrong horse (we will see more of that next ep)…is that the general public reaction to this ep is “BuT JaimEEss arc!!”

There are no bread crumbs that I see that lead to Davos. He told Tyrion how to access the castle, and probably arranged for the boat, but how would anyone think to ask that that even happened? Hell, they aren’t likely to find Cersei and Jamie’s bodies, buried under tons of rock.

If you want someone to do you a favor that could conceivably get them burned alive, a little flattery is never out of line. And I belive it is established that he is at least a very good smuggler.

It’s from that song from the 80s:

“I’m Arya, on a pale horse I ride
Dany’s wanted dead or alive
Wanted dead or alive”

Book of Revelation 6:8a (KJV - because it’s poetic):
“And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.”

Eh, even if the army had never shown up, the result would have played out the same way. Dragon single-handedly wipes out the iron fleet, all the castle ballista, and then the red keep. Jon’s army accomplished absolutely nothing to that outcome - all the castle defenders they fought would have been torched anyway.

I was very okay with their fate at the end. It adds to Tyrion’s tragedy, too.

This is not a happy story. It’s not supposed to be. The story of Westeros is a story of neverending war and conquest and the common people getting perpetually shit on. The kings and queens and generals and factions come and go but it’s always the same. The show takes its name from the phrase “In the game of thrones, you win or you die.” The maximum possible number of winners is one, so that means death for a lot of other people.

He is a well established smuggler, agreed. But “world’s greatest”? I’ve always interpreted the show’s presentation of Davos as a pretty good smuggler.

That’s fair, but Davos doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy who would appreciate flattery. I would have thought his reaction would be along the lines of “Not even top 10; I’m just a guy.”

But he didn’t though. Jamie just walked up there with everyone else. He was no more smuggled into King’s Landing than Arya and the Hound were. Less so because he never actually made it in before the doors closed.

Arya spent seasons doing nothing but witnessing the suffering of the common people in wartime. This totally fit her arc.

And failed to accept the Faceless Man’s credo of killing without remorse anyone targeted by someone paying for it.

I was trying to figure out why the instant travel annoys me so much, and it’s because the foundation of the show was slow travel.

We got almost an entire season of Arya & The Hound traveling from King’s Landing to the Twins, but now between episodes whole armies can march from Winterfell to King’s Landing? How long did it to take Brienne and Jaime to get to King’s Landing?

If we hadn’t had so many examples of it taking the better part of a season to traverse the continent, it wouldn’t be so jarring to see armies (so you know they’re on foot) traveling up and down the continent in between episodes or even scenes.

The entire point of the convo between Tyrion and Davos was to set-up the dingy to be on the beach to facilitate Jaime and Cersei’s escape. It wasn’t about smuggling Jamie in, Jamie had already been unchained and “escaped” to return to Kings Landing. It was about making sure he had a way to escape if he made it down through the keep (presumably with Cersei).

If they didn’t have that convo, everyone would be complaining about how did Jaime know that route existed out of the keep and it was awful lucky there was a boat just sitting there for him.

I have to think there might have been some supernatural force putting that horse where it was. We’re supposed to believe that a bleeming horse would survive that conflagration, not be spooked or injured, and calmly let Arya ride it? We weren’t even hearing moans of survivors, the destruction had been so complete. Only Arya’s plot armor saved her.

So I’m thinking the Horse came to her after the battle was over. Perhaps the Lord of Light is still interfering, or somehow it was sent by the faceless men, or something. Or maybe Bran warged into it and went looking for her. But I can’t believe Arya would wake up and find a perfectly intact white horse just standing there waiting for her to ride it.

As for why she needs a horse, my guess is that so she can ride out of King’s Landing and on to Dragonstone where she will attempt to kill Daeneris. I don’t see Arya just walking out of that carnage and not attempting to kill the person who caused it. I think the change we saw in her in this episode is that she went from being a person consumed with revenge for her own sake to a normal Stark, but one who realizes that Daeneris must die and she’s maybe the only one who could pull it off. Not for revenge, but for the good of the people.

In fact, her arc is the opposite of Daeneris’. Daeneris started wanting to do the right thing, but tragically wound up consumed with rage and following the footsteps of her father and brother. Arya, on the hand, spent the series consumed with rage and an intent to kill a lot of people, but ended the story by regaining her humanity. That doesn’t mean she’ll live happily ever after, but it’s interesting that Arya lost her blood lust as Daeneris was consumed by hers.

I still think we could be in for a twist with Tyrion. For example, he is tried and convicted like Varys, but when Daeneris tells Drogon to kill him, Drogon ignores her. Because Tyrion is also a Targaryan. Or, Jon Snow and Daeneris die together, and Tyrion winds up on the Iron Throne. Or we get a scene with Tyrion and Gendry where Tyrion says, “The people will never accept a dwarf on the throne. You look the part, and you are a good man. Take the job, and I will be your hand and show you how to rule.” Arya Stark then walks up to Gendry and says, “I will help. I’m no lady, but I am a Stark, and a Stark/Baratheon alliance is what the realm needs.” Thus fulfilling Robert’s comment to Ned way back in episode 1 of season 1 that a Stark and a Baratheon should marry for the good of the kingdom.

Sexual frustration after being denied by her nephew.