The one family member who just confessed he lied about the gangrape of your only love? and i always figured Tyrion poured out the wine in order to protect himself. Sure, pouring it out makes him look guilty, but not nearly as much as Joffrey being poisoned by the wine he just served him.
Which is another plot contrivance that I haven’t been able to wrap my head around.
How did it go down? Jaime introduces Tysha and Tyrion, because he wants Tyrion to get laid. They fall in love and get married. Tywin (or was it Jaime?) then tells Tyrion that Tysha is actually a whore, she never loved him, it was all just a plan to get him laid. Tyrion believes him. Tywin gives Tysha to his men, they rape her, and Tyrion also rapes her. Then years later Jaime confesses that Tysha wasn’t a whore after all, she really did love him.
I can’t make sense of any of it. What was the point? Was Tywin angry that Tyrion married her? Is that why they lied and said she was a whore?
In any case, Tyrion’s hands aren’t clean either, since he joined in the rape.
Help me out here! 
Tysha was definitely a commoner; Tywin must have thought that Tyrion was an idiot to marry her in the first place. In Tywin’s eyes she WAS a whore, because what reason would a girl have for marrying a man like Tyrion - other than money?
Jamie didn’t introduce them - they randomly ran into her on the road. Later Jamie lies and says it wasn’t a random encounter.
Some other random things I’ve been thinking about -
How are they going to sell Shae’s betrayal? In the book she is clearly an immature, selfish bitch even before the betrayal. In the series she seems completely different.
I just realized they left out Dany’s run-in with Strong Belwas and Arstan. That happened at the end of Book 2, didn’t it? They save her from a Sorrowful Man?
They just didn’t get to it yet. She runs into them when she’s looking to buy a boat, but in the television show they stopped at her khalasar looting Ducksauce’s mansion. The next step is the docks and looking to buy the boat, which should happen early on in season 3.
Yeah, I thought they oversold that last scene of the two of them confessing their love. It will make it tough to believe that she drops him for a higher bidder. 
Tywin definitely pressured (a younger more maleable) Jaime into a false confession in the Tysha situation. That was his way of invalidating what he saw as a foolish marriage. It’s a bit unbelievable, yes, but that’s the story…
One thing many of The Unsullied get wrong–which is not really a spoiler–is their perception of how much of the story is left to tell. In the first series, they were expecting the imminent arrival of Dany & the Dothraki in Westeros. This series, she & her dragons would surely show up any day–then, a big battle!
Nope, there are three more novels so far–thicker than the first two. And then two more not yet written. This is not a deep, dark secret: It Is Known!
There’s still a huge story to tell–even if it’s somewhat streamlined on the show. (So far, I’m quite in favor of the streamlining.) And the story will include many deaths–along with unfortunate cases in which death might be preferable…
They Know Nothing…
“The Unsullied”. I like that!
There are a few bits of ‘streamlining’ I’m having issues with. Who did Robb marry? Not the woman he marries in the book, who has another role to play later in the series. And the omission of Reek.
I know the TV series is not the book but these two changes affect the story way too much for my liking.
I was just talking to the GF about this message board and the two separate OPs on GOT and this was the exact point I was making. I somewhat get not wanting spoilers if you haven’t read the books and I can respect that but reading the other threads… oh boy! They just have no clue as to the scope of the story and thus their “speculation” and assumptions or expectations are so far off base. It is hard to resist the urge to yell (post) YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW!
I am pretty damn certain Robb married Jeyne. She was cast as Jeyne and she was obviously trying to avoid going to the Crag with him.
What did everyone think of what the Others looked like? I’d always imagined them to look more human.
I was just re-reading parts of a Dance With Dragons and was reminded of how extremely lame Dany is in that book. I don’t know what happened to that girl. She seems like a completely different person.
I didn’t like the Others in the season finale. Maybe I’m just not understanding what (who?) is what but… in Season 1 we get a brief look at them in the first episode and then later at the Wall when the one attacks Mormont and Jon Snow kills it. Neither view of the Others so far looked anything like what they showed in the last episode of this season and I don’t understand why.
Personally, if the earlier things were also Others as I assumed they were - I preferred that look much better - more (dead) human like and far more menacing than the CGI-weird-zombie-like Others they showed at the end.
Uh, you are confusing the actual dead humans with the Others. The ones in episode 1 look a lot like the ones we got in this last episode. The ones that attacked Mormon were just dead rangers come back to life.
The thing that attacks Mormont is a wight, not an Other/White Walker. They’re different things. The Others are a race of people, the wights are just their zombie servants.
The Others are supposed to look pretty! -pout-
ETA: OK, not PRETTY, but beautiful in a menacing way. At least, that’s the impression I got from the books.
Somebody at TwoP started using that term for the spoiler-phobes.
I quite agree with having spoiler-free places to talk about the series. For my taste, the other threads get too cluttered with differences between the shows & the books, stuff that might show up from later books & all that stuff that GRRM still has us guessing about. Sometimes I just want to concentrate on the show!
They worked for me. Maybe it was the cold blue eyes.
Ditto on Shae. Book Shae has no depth. She’s shallow and grasping and it’s surprising that Tyrion can’t see through her. If there was TV in Westeros, she’d be a Real Housewife of King’s Landing.
Varys is quite different too. GRRM had him tittering and mincing, and TV Varys isn’t at all effeminate.
I like the show characters better to be honest, while the plot is much better in the books.
I always pictured them as sort of like opaque incredibly realistic ice sculptures of people. They have a beauty to them, but they also are disturbingly alien. I seem to recall there was a leader of the night’s watch who was seduced by a female Other. It’s hard to see him falling for the feminine version of what we’ve seen in the show.
Oh here’s a GRRM quote where he calls them beautiful:
“… in an email to the comic-book artist Tommy Patterson GRRM recently wrote: ‘The Others are not dead. They are strange, beautiful… think, oh… the Sidhe made of ice, something like that… a different sort of life… inhuman, elegant, dangerous.’” from the wiki
Ignorance fought re: Wights vs. Others. Now that it has been mentioned here I did a :smack: because somewhere in my soggy brain I knew that already.
I stil didn’t care for the look of the Others in the finale. I thought they looked too CGI.