No, pretty much what you’d expect. Begging for mercy and sadism, which constitute about an hour of Ramsay’s screentime over the course of the series.
Aye, and going from the flashback intro of Lyanna to Meera brooding outside the cave will pour fuel on the fire of the “Jon and Meera are actually twins” theory. The show runners are certainly aware of all the fan theories floating around and obviously enjoy teasing them out.
I hadn’t heard this one. Is there anything more to it than Ned and Howland both being alive at the Tower of Joy?
I loathe the Tyrion is a Targaryen theory. If there do need to be three Targaryens to ride the dragons, I’d prefer Meera to Tyrion. Or allowing a Blackfyre (Aegon) to ride one would count too. I don’t see that happening though. Nor Meera.
I’ve never liked the “Tyrion is a Targ” theory either, since I think the whole situation is stronger if Tyrion IS Tywin’s true blood, but… I can’t deny there’s plenty of clues, too (such as the color his hair). I suppose it’s better than the time travelling fetus theory though.
As far as the “Meera is Jon’s twin” theory, hadn’t heard that one before either. Googling around, seems like it sprung from Alfie Allen’s comment that Martin had told him the truth of Jon’s parentage and “it involves a bit of a Luke Skywalker situation.” Which the theory originator took to mean “secret twin sister,” which I think is a wrong assumption, as Alfie could’ve easily just meant “finding out your father is secretly the bad guy” - which, remember that from the Stark/Baratheon point of view, Rhaegar was the bad guy. Meera’s green eyes also pretty more foreclose the possibility (which the theory originator admits).
EDIT: Reading some more comments, there’s one that links to a quote from GRRM back in 2000, where he noted the three heads of the dragon don’t necessarily need to be Targs. So that’s a point in Trueborn Tyrion’s favor.
I didn’t mention it in the show thread because I’m not sure the point was raised on the TV show but aren’t the Lannisters broke? In my head I’m visualizing a scene were Tywin tells Tyrion that the mines have been empty for a few years. If this is the case do Jaime ans Cersei know?
Also, who is left in the family? Is Kevan still alive? Does he have children? Are there more cousins that we don’t know about because Cersei didn’t have sex with them?
I think the brokeness of the Lannisters is somewhat known (at least in the inner circle) in that Mace Tyrell was asked to negotiate with the Iron Bank. Not sure if the mines running dry have been mentioned in the show.
Kevan is still alive, and I thought he came back to King’s Landing when Cersei was imprisoned. Where is he now? Or is he being written out due to not wanting a lot of characters?
Tywin told Cersei that the mines haven’t produced in a while. I don’t think anyone else knows.
I also don’t think that’s true in the books.
I don’t think Ned thought Rhaegar was a bad man. Aerys, sure, but Ned has some kind thoughts about Rhaegar. I’m thinking particularly about how Ned doubted he visited prostitutes. I think Robert is the only person we’ve seen talk bad about Rhaegar. Or, I guess maybe Jorah.
It was mentioned in-show.
Lancel is the only living one, and presumably cannot inherit. Kevan’s two other mentioned sons were murdered in the show; one of his sons and a Frey cousin in the books. The Lannister kid who was instead killed in the show was played by the guy who later became Tommen.
There are other Lannister branches, but not mentioned in the show AFAIK.
NOOO, we need Ramsey! They already killed Joffrey and Tywin and even old Balon, and they’ve humanized Cersei. Ramsey is the only straight-up moustache-twirler we have left!
So what was the point of having Walda in the show at all? Her being killed wasn’t necessary to show us how much of a monster Ramsay is. Her death was supposed to be SHOCKING and BREAK THE INTERNET (I assume) but I just found it boring and predictable. Which made me wonder what her entire arc’s purpose was. It feels like they decided over hiatus to trim the cast and get rid of Roose and her as an afterthought, cause if she served any purpose at all she wouldn’t have had such an anticlimatic (even if yes, it was horrible) death.
I say this with Walda being one of my favorite book characters and definitely top 3 Freys. I don’t know why she was in the show at all.
She forced Ramsay to make his move by producing an heir… and possibly will have reprecussions with the Freys.
We saw those two Lannisters at the brothel when Oberyn first showed up. They were singing the Lannister song so Oberyn stabbed one through the hand, pinning him to the table.
Those were probably just run of the mill Lannister soldiers or guards.
Have the children of the forest actually been mentioned at all in the show so far (as in detail who they are and why they are important)? I’m thinking that if you were purely a show watcher and didn’t peek at any wikis or ask friends who read the books you would have absolutely no idea who those strange elf things that shot fireballs were or why they would rescue Bran.
Brans storyline must seem utterly pointless to the unsullied.
Actually he didn’t seem to get sadistic pleasure out of it at all. More like he was numb from killing his father and killed her in a gruesome way out of habit.
Nope, show-only watchers have no clue who or what they are, or what their name is, but it’s certainly not hard to piece together the cliche they epitomize.
Right, but seeing as so much of the series is subverting typical fantasy tropes it will be extremely disappointing if the “in tune with nature elf things” turn out to be the good guys and instrumental in defeating the white walkers.
I’d be much more satisfied to learn that the white walkers are the good guys trying to restore a balance that’s been out of wack for thousands of years due to the building of the wall. Saving the world with the help of dragons and magickal elf children is pretty much the epitome of “cliched fantasy trope”, it would be a pretty lame ending.
I don’t see Martin as simply setting up a contrarianism story that seeks yo reverse every trope that might exist in Mediaeval fantasy. After all, a huge part of the setting goes right along with common fantasy tropes.
I think he’s after specific tropes, such as ones having to do with the use of violence, the nature of war, the exercise of power, the role of women, the nature of heroism, the nature of evil, the nature of love and family.
It seems pretty pointless, period.
Yes and he’s spent a long time showing that actually the humans are pretty damn evil and can’t get their shit together and stop fighting amongst themselves even when faced with an overwhelming existential threat (winter and the whitewalkers).
For the Dragons and Children of the Forest to come along and rescue the humans from their own ineptitude and defeat the white walkers would just be lame. I’m hoping for a more interesting twist than that.