In the first season, she picks up a dragon egg that has been sitting in the fire and isn’t burned, in contrast to the servant who grabs the egg from her and gets blistered hands. Not quite “surviving flames” but more than a hot bath. I like your idea overall, though. Really significant flame-related magic requires human sacrifice.
I figured the same at first, but if it had cold/ice breath like a white dragon, it wouldn’t have brought down the wall.
I don’t know that magical dragon breath has to follow those rules. What does it take to bring down the wall? It was warded by magic, maybe it takes magic breath to bring it down. If they just wanted to show it being bog-standard dragon fire, they could have just used the same color.
Okay, actually I looked up ‘dragon fire’ in the GoT Wiki, and it turns out that every dragon has its own color, with some dragons actually having black ‘dragon fire’, or red tinged with green, or whatever. So I guess an undead dragon can have blue fire and still be normal dragon fire.
Yeah, I never said she wasn’t fireproof in the show because she is obviously fireproof in the show.
She has the same nickname in the books, btw. I think surviving a pyre once is enough for that to stick, don’t need the repeat performance in Vaes Dothrak.
Ha! I have to give you that one.
Jesus walked on water!
Yeah, but only once…
EDIT: Reading back over our posts on this tangent, is the only time Dani has been burnt in the books when she gets hit in the face with dragon fire? If so, I wouldn’t say that’s clear evidence that she isn’t fireproof. GRRM saying so is proof, of course. But if he hadn’t said anything, if that was the only time it happened, I could see dragon fire being supernatural and thus hurting someone who is immune to normal human fire.
She wasn’t hit in the face though. She was in the arena with Drogon while he was roasting people, and she was close enough for her hair to be burned. If she was engulfed in dragon fire and survived I’d probably have a different opinion on the matter.
So in the show thread, we’re running up against a few facts people remember, that whoops, actually come from the books, not the show. Specifically, the term “greenseer” was used, and the fact that Baratheons are vaguely related to the Targaryens somehow. Now I’m almost certain the latter fact was mentioned back in the beginning, as part of the reason Ned didn’t become king after the rebellion and Robert did. And I thought Jojen mentioned he was a greenseer way back when. But having read the books, I could be getting them confused with the show.
I tried to check on the GoT wiki (as opposed to the ASoIaF wiki), and unfortunately there was a lot of book-only info on there, and many of the non-book sources were things like special features from the DVDs, and I’m not sure if they’re strictly cannon for the purposes of the show-only thread.
Does anybody know of a way to verify if a piece of info is from the show or the books or elsewhere? A quick google didn’t turn up any searchable databases of GoT scripts or anything. It sure would be nice to type “greenseer” in and either come up with a hit – “It was used back in season 3 episode 6 by whomever” – or not come up with a hit and know the info wasn’t from the show.
I have the same problem with that Wiki. While they have a separate section on “In the books,” there’s info in the main accounts that’s not from the show, especially background information. I’ve never read the books, but I know from the Wiki that Robert has a claim to the throne through Targaryen ancestry. I can’t remember that ever being mentioned in the show, although it might have been.
Not sure about a book vs show database, but I’m pretty sure that Baratheons and Targaryens having a marriage back in the day was not in the show. Less sure about Jojen mentioning greenseers.
It’s VERY hard to keep shit straight at this point. Haven’t read the books since before the last book came out and the show is going on ten years now.
I found a clip where Jojen is explaining to Bran about having “the Sight.” But he didn’t call it greensight or mention greenseers.
Robert Baratheon having a claim due to Targaryen ancestry is never mentioned in the show. Jaime even points out that Ned could’ve had the Iron Throne off he wanted it. Succession isn’t mentioned as a factor.
I’m about 70% sure the word greenseer is never used in the show. Jojen refers to “the sight” a few times.
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Well, I don’t think that “nobody dies and they win just by stabbing the Night King” was much of a popular fan theory. Hm.
LOL
Yeah, seems very un-Martinesque.
So who was the Prince that was Promised? I guess it can be either Arya for killing the Night King, or Jon or Dany under the theory that Arya would never have been in the position to do so if Jon and Dany hadn’t led or fought as they did.
Colibri, from our discussion in the show thread, here is Melissandre speaking to Stannis in Storm of Swords, Ch. 63, Davos 6:
I think it indicates that Melissandre came over to Westeros not because she had this notion of Stannis on the Iron Throne, but because she felt Stannis would be the one to defeat the darkness and the “the Other”. The Prince That Was Promised is to push back the darkness and defend the world of light. Therefore, when the Other was defeated, her purpose in still living was over and, hence, decided to die - well I guess she prophecied she would before the dawn.
“The Great Other” is a god, the antithesis to the Lord of Light. The Night King is very powerful, but he’s by no means a god. I’m not at all convinced.
So… Was Melisandre the Lightbringer?
We’ll probably never get the book but I 100% refuse to believe that’s how it (would) go down. Talk about anti-climatic.