Gay people with religious parents - what's that like since SCOTUS June 26?

Friday June 26 was a great day for us, but for some of us, our parents are not happy indeed.

I’ve been married in Oregon for about a year, and though my dad is very Evangelical, he can be mellow about some things when it makes for better relationships. When I came out to him years ago, he was displeased but not dismayed and not angry; he simply and rather gently laid out for me all the particular Biblical reasons he believes being gay is not okay with God (the usual set of clobber verses), and then more or less dropped the subject permanently. He knew my late ex, and has spent some time with my husband. When legal gay marriage started to pick up momentum, he brought up the topic with me and seemed to approve of it fully, as distinct from a Christian marriage, which abides by another set of rules and is administered by a different authority. He seemed so glad I was being civilly married that he actually came across country to our tiny reception. Since then we’ve been as close as usual. He and my husband don’t really talk, but greetings are always passed along both ways.

On Saturday the day after the SCOTUS decision, Dad wrote an email to his entire Bible study group, then forwarded it to several members of his extended family including me, our liberal elderly aunt, and his one gay friend. The title of the email was “Sorrow” and was a mournful eulogy for what once had been a great country, which now has lost its way and lost sight of the laws of God which are not vague, etc. etc… “Our community has said goodbye to its moral mooring.” Apparently he’d been doing all right all day Friday, but when he saw the news images of Nashville Pride on Saturday, he just lost it with disdain and contempt for the outrageous people, which he then channeled into Great Unfathomable Sorrow for Our Nation. It was very sanctimonious and icky.

And you know, I’m actually kind of angry about this. I’d actually thought he might call with congratulations, like my father-in-law did. I’m so angry that I’m not picking up Dad’s phone calls, and I don’t know how long it will be before I want to talk to him again. He has apparently mixed up the two kinds of marriages – the one before God and your church, where you follow those rules, and the other one before the State, where you follow that different set of rules. I always thought he approved of my second type of gay marriage; he never thought I thought I had a Godly, biblical marriage following the conditions of his church. But he seemed pleased that I availed myself of the benefits and responsibilities the government offered. Like half the country, he’s suddenly conflated the two different types of marriages and thinks SCOTUS is making a heretical statement about the Laws of God and how the Bible must be interpreted.

My younger half-brother, who is very straight and very very liberal, has it even worse. His mother, my former stepmother for many years before he was born, and before she later divorced my father and remarried (so, you know, a proper Biblical set of 2nd and 3rd re-marriages between various men and women) is of a much more virulent strain of Tea Party religious conservatism. She’s an activist; her second husband guests on Fox News from time to time; they are true-blue Culture Warriors. We haven’t spoken since I told her I was getting married, presumably because I failed to use scare quotes around “married.” She declined to offer congratulations or greetings to my husband, and pointedly sends holiday cards addressed to me only, which I destroy unopened as my way of dealing with the insult.

So on Friday she pre-emptively struck out at her son on his Facebook wall, telling him not to dare post anything positive about the decision, because seeing that would just hurt her too much and she’s sad, sad, sad to her core. He asked her if Dave and I were on Facebook and could see his wall, would she have posted that? and she cut him dead, blocking him from her Facebook page, telling him to not even bother trying to communicate with her in any way. Apparently her head has exploded and she will need time to find all the little pieces. Since I won’t speak to her anyway, I’m much less upset about this than I am about Dad, but wow, a little cold of her towards her own son, who is not gay! She is sad to the core because of Teh Gay, and now she is offended to the core because of somebody else who’s NOT sad to their core. I guess this is what happens when you run around in church circles; you don’t run into too many people who think unlike you do, even if they’re your own kids.

Anyway, whether or not anybody even skimmed parts of that-- my gay brethern and sistren, what experience have you had with your conservative or religious relatives since the SCOTUS decision?

Well I’d like to ask, what would YOU do someday if a kid of yours does something you dont approve of? I mean really its a tough thing to balance. You love your kid and want to support them but its darn hard when they do something that goes against your core values.
And you know, it doesnt have to be religious. What if your parents were all pro gay and all but still had personal issues in your choices of a husband? Wouldnt that hurt just as much?

It hasn’t been bad yet, mostly just the usual facebook crap about ‘supporting traditional marriage’ and such. I did get a couple surprises from various family members that I didn’t realize were anti-gay, but nothing too major so far.

Urbanredneck: That’s an interesting question. Suppose I had a daughter in love with an imprisoned criminal. Then the law changes, the criminal is released, and they cheer because now they can live together or marry. My daughter will be celebrating that change in the law, and I won’t be, so touche. But I wanted to hear from other gay people on this specific topic.

If what they were doing made them happy, was between consenting adults, and did no harm, then I would seriously consider re-evaluating my ‘core values’, since disapproving of such a thing is a sign, in my view, that one’s core values may need readjustment.

Well, my wife’s aunt is a devotee of Fox News and thinks and does whatever Bill O’Reilly tells her. I don’t watch O’Reilly but it is likely that her opinion mirrors what Bill and the other commentators of Fox News have dreamed up.
To address the concerns of Urbanredneck, Miss DrumBum is an adult and capable of making her own decisions. She can and will solicit our opinions if she feels it necessary, but the ultimate decision rests solely with her. She may well make a mistake but that is a part of growing up. The only reason I might intervene would be if I felt there was a physical threat involved.

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Yeah, masonite, it’s about time you realize that bigots are the real victims, here. They’re between a rock and a hard place: Do they do their duty as parents & decent human beings and love and support their children? OR do they knowingly hurt their children over something that literally does not impact their own life (or their own marriage) because they think it’s just so gosh darn icky?
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OP, sorry you and your stepbrother have to go thru this.

Whatever the disagreement (religious or otherwise) and however much it conflicts with their core values, cutting off their own sons or daughters from their lives feels a bit too extreme.

masonite, very sorry to hear how your parents have treated you. Big cyber-hug from a net acquaintance, if it’s of any help.

urbanredneck, I can’t imagine cutting off my son from my life, especially over politics. There’s a lot that happens in a big country, and you can’t expect that your kid will grow up to be a mini-me, sharing the same thoughts and opinions.

Regardless, you hang on tight to the ones you love.

I’m not gay, but have friends and family who are that I wholeheartedly support.

On FB, my religious, conservative, and Republican friends were in such deep, deep mourning and shock about the recent events that I didn’t even have it my heart to needle them (well, needle them much, anyway).

I do think it is a little bit promising that after your dad’s public declaration he did try to call you. Or maybe not. I can’t imagine what he has to say in person that he has not typed out already. It’s OK to not talk to him until things cool off a bit.

As far as your step mother’s cards, I think I would be more likely to add a “Return to Sender” note on the front and drop it back in the mailbox rather than just throw them away, but then, I can be annoying like that.

You step brother may be in the process of being shunned by your ex-step mom, though. Many religions call for relationships to be ordered in a “God, family, country” fashion. It is not at all unusual to toss a family member away for non-conformity in some religious circles.

Lots of people have ‘pruned’ their FB friends lists this week. One of my FB acquaintances proudly announced she was deleting anyone who had a rainbow on their page. Then she accidentally deleted some folks she liked because God made rainbows to show he would never kill off all the humans again (or whatever). The real effect of this will be that their circles will get smaller and smaller when they only associate themselves with people that agree with them on the issues. I’ve heard this called “the backfire effect”- that when your beliefs get challenged, it causes one to dig their heels in deeper.

Our society is undergoing some very, very rapid changes and I’m not surprised that some people are having trouble with the change. I read in the Pew Report on Religion in Public Life that 25 % of millennials (1980-1996) identify as “atheist,” “agnostic,” or “none.” The only real opposition to same sex issues is religion-based and millennials don’t care who is or is not gay.

Looking at the religious beliefs of Boomers to Millennials, there is a steady decline in religious belief over the years.

What your parents and mine don’t understand is that we did hear their religious message and rejected it. We heard them say “God is Love” and then “God hates gays.” They disparage anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what they believe, even all the other denominations. It’s hard to reconcile the conflicts (such as the divoreces you mentioned). They seem to want to control everyone else, but not themselves, and then excuse the bad behavior by saying “Well, we’re not perfect. Just forgiven!”

How convenient.

Not gay, but one of my co-workers showed up with the comment yesterday:

“Looks like the Pride Parade isn’t going to get rained out after all. Well, they’ll still all get it in the end.”

pause

:eek:

“Hey, that was funny!”

My Mom’s preacher apparently made a big deal in the last sermon about being afraid of being sent to jail for not performing gay marriages :rolleyes:.

Of course I pointed to my Mom that churches were not forced to perform inter-racial marriages, they will not be forced to perform same-sex marriages or any other marriage they do not want to do. And that the preacher probably knows that and is probably just fear-mongering.

:slight_smile:

Yes, I’ve been worried about a serious rift between my half-brother and his mom for some time. This could be the beginning of the end for them; the demand for ideological allegiance is becoming absolute, and it’s no longer possible for him to even pretend to comply.

I partly blame Facebook, I really do. We’ve all got crazy relatives, always did, but until Facebook we didn’t have to hear from all of them, every single day. This is why I’ve never signed up and never looked back; my life is much easier that way, and I’ve only been disowned by a small handful of relatives. :smiley:

Not parents, but a religious relative in their generation (whom I don’t know terribly well) posted something anti-SSM on Facebook. I challenged her on it, and this was her reply:

"[Dr. Drake], you have my sincere apologies.I had no idea about your lifestyle or marriage and my intent was not to offend you or anyone else. I love all people equally and do not judge. It’s also not up to me to decide what others do or how they live. I just believe that the supreme court also does not have the right to have any say in the matter. I’m truly scared for the future of this country. The line separating Church and State have been crossed and the thought of what could happen next is a scary thought…

Again, I’m sorry to have offended you. My post has been removed. God Bless You. :)"

Given the virulence of the right-wing posts I see from that branch, I thought that was actually quite nice. I didn’t argue further: no point. I do think that one of the best things we can do is just be real human beings in these people’s lives: it’s a lot harder to demonize Teh Gay if they have to think of us with faces and names.

…what?

The first rule of religious right-wing relatives is Do Not Engage with What Passes for Logic among religious right-wing relatives.

Edit: It does rather suggest that she thinks Obama is going to come to her church and make her marry a lesbian, thus letting the Russians take over and turn us Commie, or something.

I’ve just unfollowed those relatives. Makes it easier for me to get on facebook when I’m drunk.

I like to see what they say. If it weren’t for them, I’d have no window into the insanity. Plus, I do always consider their arguments, just in case they have a point I haven’t thought of.

So far, it hasn’t happened, but you never know.

I’m sorry your father and former stepmother were such jerks about the (utterly wonderful) SCOTUS decision, masonite. Why your father felt he had to send his sorrow email to you, your liberal aunt, and his gay friend is utterly beyond me.

Your stepmother is aware that Jesus said zip about homosexuality and quite a bit about divorce, yes? If my mother had been that toxic I would have welcomed the breach.

My Facebook page was and still is filled with rainbows. But then I’m mostly FB friends with the younger generation in the family.

I unfriended my last conservative Christian friend on Facebook last week, following her getting kinda pissy with me about me defending what Obama really said in that meme about “people in other countries don’t have as much violence as we do”.

Kind of unfortunate… she was my last friend from high school. Now I just try to avoid talking much to my devout friends since we don’t seem to have much to agree on, and what we disagree on is raucously stupid.