George Zimmerman - In the news again

Every once in a while you post in such a way that makes me wonder if you forgot your meds. Who are you trying to impress with this language?

You would be wrong. You have in fact participated in them. I bet you can’t guess what your position was, though I bet everyone else can.

You should try reading for comprehension.

Yeah, it’s just coincidence you’re always calling the black people thugs.

Some of your best friends are black?

Yeah, we’re the racists for noticing that you’re always calling black people thugs.

I doubt there’s very many false ones, and I’m absolutely certain there’s far more people in jail for killing in self defence that those who’ve got away with murder. I’d also be amazed if the majority of those wrongly jailed are not black, given the prejudice in your justice system.

There’s no chance I’m going to support a conviction based on the testimony of a potentially biased witness. For any crime.

Because of his behaviour.

No, he’s dead.

No, why would I? Millions of people die every day, I’m not going to be sad for all of them. Most of them don’t deserve it either, and most of them couldn’t have taken the simple step of not acting like a dick to save their life. He would be way, way down any give-a-shit list.

I’m calling thugs thugs. Based on behaviour, nothing else.

But go on, link me to a thread where a black person was defending themselves against a white person (no, resisting arrest is not self defence, before you link to those), and show me where I criticise the black guy.

Or more than one “biased” witness, or an unbiased witness, or physical evidence. Provided the crime is murdering an unarmed black kid, of course.

Innocent victim of crime is black? Check
Steophan called him a thug? Check
Murderer convicted under rule of law? Check
Steophan proposes ignoring rule of law? Check

That’s a bingo!

Oh, and mocking people for being mentally ill? That makes you look so big and clever. Well done.

Innocent person shot to death by lunatic? Check
Innocent person is black? Check
Steophan calls innocent victim a thug “because of his behavior”? Check

(That behavior? Apparently the appalling rudeness of being shot to death)

That’s another bingo!

Where’s the physical evidence that he wasn’t threatened? Where’s the unbiased witness? You have nothing.

Being mentally ill is not an excuse for being an asshole. You have control over what you type, right?

Got a cite for these claims – especially the one you’re “absolutely certain” of?

How about an admission that he pulled the trigger, mounds of physical evidence (but none that supports self-defense), and multiple witness testimony that it wasn’t self-defense including the testimony of the accused’s girlfriend? Any chance you’d support a conviction based on that?

Hypothetically, other than recording of the incident, is there any possible witness testimony or physical evidence that would convince you beyond a reasonable doubt that Dunn was guilty? From what you’ve said so far, once he claimed self-defense then (in your mind) nothing other than a recording could prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

You keep mentioning the bias – was his girlfriend biased when she said he lied about the shotgun?

What behavior?

OK, suppose I do this? What will you do if I can in fact link to you doing this? What is my payoff?

Indeed. What’s your excuse? Or do you just like seeing scared people unable to defend themselves? Because that’s what you’re proposing.

You get to be right.

Now that you’ve acknowledged your behavior, what’s your plan for stopping?

No it isn’t.

I’m already right. What specific thing will you do when I win this bet?

You have nothing, then. Well done you.

Don’t be scared. Propose a specific thing that you will do if I win this bet, and let’s see what I can provide.

Self defense is an affirmative defense. The accused has to demonstrate he had an honest and reasonable fear for his life. It’s not just presumed he acted in self defense unless the prosecution can prove otherwise. So, the jury is free to evaluate his statements against the other witness statements and find they are not credible. The prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the accused killed the victim and the defense did not demonstrate to the jury’s satisfaction that he acted in self defense. Hence, the guilty verdict.

To suggest that a murder conviction should require either the victim being shot in the back or multiple eye witnesses who don’t know the victim or the accused is absurd.

No it isn’t, at least not in Florida. And the idea of an affirmative defence is hideously immoral, so hopefully other places will follow Florida’s lead.

The Game Room is that way <----------- if you want to play silly games.

You’re the one making an accusation, it’s on you to back it up. Otherwise, everyone knows you have nothing.

Steophan is a big defender of the rule of law, unless that law is getting in the way of white people murdering black people and getting away with it.

In fact, if you want to know if Steophan is for or against any particular law, just ask yourself–has that law resulted in a recent news story about a white person being convicted for murdering a black person? If so, Steophan is against it. Has that law resulted in a recent news story about a white person getting away with murdering a black person? Than Steophan is for it. This simple rule works 100% of the time. But he’s not a racist–he’s wearing a Miles Davis shirt, for God’s sake. (Miles Davis was a thug, though).