We can do all the things that they can do in Chicago!
Let’s just hope the right wing in Raleigh doesn’t see this thread.
I will admit that this has led me to wonder what kind of human they have out Georgia way. Been through there a coupla times, but never stopped longer than it took to fuel up and pee.
And, for the record, nobody pays any attention to the laws about sex toys in Texas. Except the cops, and even then, they tend to ignore them, until they need some good press, or when a local politician wants to show the local voters how moral he is.
In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s why the laws exist in the first place…
Hey, if you’re in the military, not only is there a size, quantity, and content limitation on tattoos, piercings in anything but the ears is an Article 15 offense, and if you’re a guy you’re not allowed to wear an earring by regulation under any circumstances on any base. My Dorm Chief had to get a skin graft at his cost in order to get in because of tattoos. There was a controversy because some guy forked his tongue and claimed religious beliefs. There are people who get busted daily for tongue studs and nipple rings.
You think these laws are tough? Hah.
same here (atlanta). there is still quite a variety of toys available.
how are they going to enforce this though? i mean, i guess they can prosecute a person who performs the piercing, but once pierced, couldn’t you just say you got it done in florida? besides, they ain’t gonna check. and you could’ve had it done before the law (which isn’t a law yet, still has to pass the GA senate).
and if they set up legislation to punish the piercer, would you get double jeapordy if you pierced yourself?
off to write a letter to my congress person…
I can do all that in the same room if you want
not exactly true. from the ajc (atlanta journal and constitution) :
so, are you free friday night
Packin my bags for Chicago! I need my taxes done anyway… 
The piercing amendment was probably added by a representative who, while snooping in his teenage daughter’s e-mail or eavesdropping on her phone calls, discovered that she was planning to get her clit pierced as soon as she turned 18.
Well, that’s not quite the same thing. Everyone who’s in the military made a conscious choice to be in the military. Nobody chooses to live in Alabama.
HA! Now THAT is amusing, Miller…and I suspect on some level, kinda true.
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Isn’t Saxby Chambliss such a magnificent Evil White Guy name? I see him as the Evil Slaveowner in one of those The Blue And The Grey 12 hour Civil War melodramas. Or maybe the David Spade character in PCU. Yea, he may be an asshat as a legislator (I honestly don’t know his record)…but I have to grin every time I see that name.
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Saxby Chambliss is the asshole who beat Max Cleland by claiming he wasn’t tough enough on defense and linking him to Osama bin Laden with some spurious ads. He’s the filthiest peice of garbage you’re ever likely to come across. Appearance-wise, he looks like a taller version of Boss Hawg from the Dukes of Hazzard, only with a shock of white hair and that disgusting powdery pink skin generally found on older women who use too much makeup throughout life.
As a Georgian, I feel that I am not so much getting the government I deserve, but the government many of my fellow Georgians deserve. And I don’t deserve that.
Ah, yes, I remember that campaign very well. I anticipate more of the same tactics in this coming election.
Actually I think a few people fell for that whole Skynyrd propaganda thing and couldn’t afford to leave again.
I’m thinking about growing a clitoris just so I can drive up to Georgia and have it pierced on the steps of the State House.
I’m totally against FGM on minors, BUT the type for FGM practised in parts of SE Asia involves nicking the hood of the clitoris. No clitoridectomy, no infibulation, no removal of labia.
Essentially it’s like a clitoral piercing without insertion of jewellry. In order to outlaw FGM in all it’s variations, you HAVE to outlaw clitoral piercing.
However, in my opinion, what a grown woman wants to do with her genitals is no one’s business but her own.
The alternative is to accept that FGM has degrees, and some are more acceptable than others (when performed on fully consenting adults, of course), but I can’t see them doing that, can you?
I suppose that might be true, but why would someone want to stop a law against female genital mutilation?
Although the notion of piercing the parts in question strikes me as icky. And not the government’s business either, but still icky. <shudders>
Regards,
Shodan
Gather 'round boys and gals. JRDelirious was, from 1993 to 1999, on-staff at a “state” (commonwealth, OK, same deal) legislature; and for the last 2 years has had an advisor/consultant contract with a legiscreature.
Y’all know why some legislative bills with a good and sensible purpose end up with really stupid amendments that should have raised an eyebrow? Simply, because in your average large legislative chamber, if the bill is purportedly “non controversial” and “popular”, your elected representatives as a matter of course did not actually read what the hell they were voting on until it was too late (if at all) and then only cared to prevent any fucker placing a campaign ad saying they voted against it.
For practical reasons, only bills that include debatable “hot” policy issues are picked at closely. Those deemed “non controversial” are on a sort of “honor system” wherein the recommendations in the report from committee are trusted to be good enough to vote on. The Committee files its report, and the report and the text as amended is included in the orders of the day. But outside of maybe the committee chairmen and ranking members and individual legislators with a special interest, hardly anyone else read anything but the summary of the report, and often nobody read the full-text-as-amended. Because, of course, “it was non-controversial”!! As in this – It’s a bill to ban FGM, everyone’s against FGM, what kind of sicko could have reservations on anything related to FGM, right?
When there’s no major political controversy, if the committee reccommends favorably, there is a voice motion to approve the report and the amended text contained therein, passed by the “hearing no objection to the motion” mechanism, and then a voice-vote to place the amended bill on the docket for the final roll vote, without the contents being debated. Even if there is objection, you need a majority to make it stand. So here everyone wanted to vote against FGM, and not enough people were opposed or cared enough or KNEW about the amendment, so it was either approve it 160-0, or else… (fade in ominous music) “Assemblyman Jack Hogsfeet VOTED to ALLOW the women of Georgia to be CIRCUMCISED! Protect your daughter this November! - Approved by the Dick Collardgreen 2004 Committee”
But heck, it’s the people who elect these winners to their positions. And why I got paid the (allegedly) big bucks to once in a while stop them before they made bigger asses of themselves. You can imagine I did not have high blood pressure before taking that job. Who was it that said, sensitive people who love the Law and sausage should not look at how they’re made?
And I’m glad to see you don’t carry a grudge. :rolleyes:
Hey, I agree that this little bit of legislative foolishness is quite stupid. I even agree that this probably would not be possible under a purely libertarian state. I just think that creating a purely libertarian state would create more troubling problems than clit-piercing legislation – that on balance, the tradeoffs of having a more traditional representative democracy are worth making.
Just want to point out the nifty semantic sleight of hand you’re trying to pull off here: “civil libertarians” include many people who do not identify with, and indeed even oppose libertarianism as a system of government. It would include, for example, those decent folks who insisted that government force lunch counters to serve all races, property rights be damned.
Damn, damn, damn I seem to miss the best debates. I would just like to interject the following:
Especially since in a Libertarian state no one would pay taxes, and the state would dissappear due to lack of funding.
See, if I was a legislator, I’d ban stuff like this just for the protests and civil disobedience…
“Let’s ban wet t-shirt contests out there on the steps!”