Gerbil-humping Church Bastards

Ah, the joys of fundamentalist Christianity! What wily, manipulative tools are at the disposal of those closest to the Lord. What abundant love for all God’s children is available in the congregations of said establishments.

So I’m sitting here at work last night, perusing the SDMB, when my personal line rings. My husband is on the line, and our good friend (let’s call her Sabrenia…that’s her name) has come to our house very upset and crying. A little background: she’s 19, a pre-vet student on a full academic scholarship to the best school in our area, waits tables 30-40 hours per week, and is looking for an apartment but currently still living at home with her fundie parents. Her father recently had a heart attack and required some extensive surgery to repair whatever damage had been done. A week or so later he landed back in ICU with a staph infection, which he is now recovering from at home. One afternoon while her father was still in the hospital,
Sabrenia and her parents’ minister happened to visit him at the same time.

Her mother asked her to (well, made it clear that she should) attend a “revival” at the church with her last night…revival, complete with tent and frothing-at-the-mouth fundies for your viewing pleasure. Apparently the whole church had a plan worked up, because soon after she sat down, she realized that SHE was the focus of the fervent prayers of the masses. When I say “fundie” here I don’t just mean “I believe the Bible literally, and Darwin was a fruitcake” garden-variety fundie; the women in this church don’t wear makeup or jewelry or FUCKING PANTS. The minister stood before the crowd and announced that Sabrenia was being taken over by Satan, for by Christ Almighty, he’d seen her at the hospital visiting her sick father wearing earrings and those new-fangled blue jeans! Her mother took one arm while the preacher’s wife took the other and literally dragged her to the altar and tried to force her onto bended knee to pray for forgiveness. The minister admonished her in front of everyone and actually told her that God had spared her father’s life this time, but might not be so lenient in the future if Sabrenia didn’t change her ways. This went on some time, with her standing there crying out of embarrassment and anger, until she finally ran out to her car and left.

When I got home, I talked to her for some time about the whole incident. She told me a little about the preacher and his “church”. He just built a new church and matching parsonage to the tune of $600,000, raised entirely by church members. He owns a Vette AND a fucking Rolls. I have never even seen a Rolls in person, so this weasely bastard must only take his out on special occasions, because this is a fairly small community. However, he counsels his congregation against having a television. A computer is fine, he says, as long as there’s no internet.

I am sick to death over this. I asked her why the hell she didn’t smack someone in the mouth over it (yes, at church, in front of Jesus and everybody! It would have been at least as appropriate as what they did to her and infinitely more constructive). She said, and I understand, that she was raised in the church and she respects a lot of the people there, and didn’t want to cause anyone any problems. I considered attending a service myself, but I’m afraid of what I might do and I don’t want to embarrass Sabrenia further. I don’t know what else to do, except offer her our couch to crash on till she finds an apartment. I’m so pissed I just don’t know how to handle the situation. Anyone ever dealt with something like this before?

Boy, that’s about as ugly as it gets. No question, there’s a certain psychopathology in the religious lunatic fringe. The preacher’s announcement that God might kill her father if she doesn’t toe the line is quite possibly the cruelest single act by a human being I’ve ever heard of.

I think you’re doing about all you can for Sabrenia, Jane. Stand by your friend, give her a place to crash and a shoulder to lean on until she pulls herself together. You can’t realistically do much about any of the rest of it. If there is a real Christian anywhere in this story, it’s you. And if you’re not a Christian, well, that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that you’re motivated by love and charity; you’re acting like the best of them. Forget the lunatics, help out your friend, and this too shall pass.

Well, how stuck up can they be? Their women don’t wear pants in church!

Oh, wait… You meant… Uh, nevermind.

Seriously, that’s unbelievably fucked up. I hope your firend gets back on her feet quickly, and can keep away from that church without estranging her family, but it doesn’t sound like the odds are good on that one.

I understand that she feels that she doesn’t want to embarrass her family, but she should seriously consider charging some of those people with assault and unlawful restraint. Personally, I consider it less than a full step below rape to do that to someone. I don’t even know her or you and I’m angry.

jayjay

Sometimes, when faced with estranging the family or just plain putting pu with bussshit abusive behaviour, one has to say about certain individuals: “That’s family not worth having.” You can extend this to “the church family” also.

I’ve seen people who have, and continue, to suffer some rather atrocious abuse tell themselves and others “But I have to do this, it’s because of the family.” Piss on that.

jane, if you still live in the area indicated in your profile, I don’t live far from you at all. I could attend one of their church meetings (and would be glad to) just so I can give them a small taste of how evil and sick these people really are. I don’t live in the community so it doesn’t bother me. These people need to be shown how damaging and downright sick their behavior is. I doubt many of them will listen but if it causes just one person to step back and analyze the kind of abuse they are inflicting it would be worth it.

Of course, if you don’t still live there, never mind! :wink:

Should read as follows:

Let me get this straight. This man, supposedly a minister of the Gospel, sees a family of his parishioners in trouble, and his first thought is not “How can I give help and support in this time of crisis?” but “How can I use this family crisis to make the daughter stop wearing jeans?

That is just vile. For whatever it’s worth, jane_says, your friend has my sympathy. Please tell her we’re not all like that…

Oh, and God? I know You’re reading this… There’s a priest somewhere near jane_says who needs his heart opened to Your message of love. Or, if You’re in an Old Testament kind of mood, could do with a good smiting round about now…

… actually, that’s a thought. Does this guy have any church superiors (apart from the one Superior I mention above)? I know that if a Church of England priest tried a stunt like this, he’d soon be having a serious talk with the bishop about the nature of pastoral care. (That’s if his PCC didn’t nail his head to the font first.)

This reminds me strongly of my best friend Jeni’s experience with the Church of Christ. She was raised in the faith, was very devout, and her father was a dean or a deacon or something like that. When Jeni was in high school, she suffered from anorexia and bulimia. Eventually, she wound up in the hospital, weighing 80 pounds, and near death.

This is where the fun part comes in.

While in the hospital fighting for her life, she received a letter from her church. It informed her that she was no longer a member and they didn’t want to see her face again, because bulimia is “gluttony”.

I’m sure that did quite a bit to raise her spirits and help in her recovery (sarcasm). Fortunately, her dad took her side and immediately quit the church. They’re both still Christians, though they don’t attend church anymore.

Denominations like these are self-fulfilling their prophecies. They polarize the world, creating enemies of nonbelievers, then rejoice over their perceived persecution. “Satan’s minions are out to destroy us, just like the Bible said they would!”

You can tell you friend not all Christians are like that.
If she belonged to my Lutheran church, in this time of need, someone (church members taking turns) would be coming over each day with food and helping to do laundry and clean and run errands and sit with family members at the hospital…stuff that actually helps. We actually have a committee that organizes it all. It’s wonderful.

So this poor man had a heart attack because his daughter was wearing jeans. Interesting. Is this church an Assembly of God church?

When I was much younger, my family and I went to see a visiting pastor. My father had a lot of physical ailments, much from being in Nevada (he was military and a WWII vet) when they were doing the nuclear testing and much from being a smoker. So, this pastor tells my father that he is going to heal him. Soon after, we start getting solicitations from this guy in the mail. They wouldn’t stop! And at one point, the man finally told Dad that if he didn’t give him money for healing him, that he was going to have God curse him. My family is pretty religious, and I am a Christian, but what this man did is definitely not of God, and neither is what the pastor did to your friend. If you are not Christian, I hope you at least realize that church-going Christians are not all bad and there are going to be good and bad people around who use the name Christian.

jane, as a Christian, I can tell you that these posers make me sick. Is it any wonder that Christianity is ridiculed in today’s society with these kind of froot-loops running around? I’m sorry for your friend and what she had to go through.

Kinsey, I grew up Assembly of God (but don’t attend one anymore) and there was never anything in my church about wearing jeans or anything. At least in the one I went to. I’m guessing it’s a United Pentacostal church - they have proscriptions on make-up and the like and can be very hard-line about them; had a friend who grew up in that denomination and even at 40 years old, she was still feeling weird about wearing pants and stuff. They may also be just an independent church with no authority over them, such as a bishop or some such.

" . . . the women in this church don’t wear makeup or jewelry or FUCKING PANTS."

—Say where can I get some of these “Fucking Pants?”

Oh, you want to see religious wingnuts, do you?

go to my.fool.com. Go to the speaker’s corner and then to Christian Fools. Do a search for jerryu1’s name.

Now, it is very hard to get yourself banned, even temporarily, from The Fool. This guy got, from what I can tell, a three-month banning. Y’all have heard me rant about CF before; he’s the worst of it, but not by much.

I have stopped going there because it ceased being fun to the point that I dreaded reading it. Same old shit. Same old tire horses.

Hypocrite city, I’m tellin’ ya.

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Jane_says,

That had to be the most fucked-up thing I’ve heard in a while. Doing that to a 19yo whose father is recooperating in the hospital is worse than evil. I hope someday that fucker’s congregation will know him for what he truly is.

Fucking Asshole!

Er . . . beagle? Is there something we should know?

Sadly, evil people like this, when they realize the game is nearly over will just move on to another small community and start up again from scratch. Leaving the congregation to say, " Gee, that Rev. Smith was a nice fella…"

Look at the Catholic Church and the way the moved around the pedophile preists.

beagle, that is just damned strange.

I have a pair of “fucking pants” from the Victoria’s Secret catalogue. It’s actually a skin-tight, crotchless body suit. Needless to say, it was a gift. I prefer sweats, or boxer shorts when the weather is overwarm, and my trusty chastity belt.

Fundamentalism scores an ‘own-goal’.

It pisses me off to find my general belief system so corrupted. These people are no longer Christian: They have ceased to follow the teaching of Christ. They’ve become a tool of evil, and are, as such, Satanists, albeit in disguise.

Jane
I’ve been there, in the hot-seat, alongside my (then future) wife. My in-laws, especially my MIL, are very fundament Southern Baptists, bordering on Conservative Baptist. MIL was convinced (maybe still is) that I was a on a quick ride to Damnation because my mother is an Unitarian Minister. In her mind, the UUA is nothing but a nest of vipers, and anyone even loosely associated with the UUA is going down with them. Get this: I’m Born Again, and she’s telling me I’m damned, and I’m taking her daughter (and later, her grandaughter) with me to the pit! When Mrs. Tranq and I went to visit her folks shortly before our wedding, we were dragged off to church (before I knew MIL’s attitude), and ambushed by the Minister, who interrogated us for about an hour on our beliefs. I guess I study a mean Bible, because afterwards, he gave his grudging blessing. Like I really needed this jumped-up pimple-in-a-cheap-suit’s blessing. After Worship, future MIL throws three different local boys in our face, with pointed commentary about what good husband material they were. Nothing against the local boys, but they had their chance years before, and didn’t make the grade. What made my MIL think they’ll make the cut later?

Bah.

My solution? Patience and distance (easy enough while in the Nav: No blue water within 1000 miles of the in-laws). MIL seems to be mellowing a bit. Maybe it’s 'cause my daughter is so charming, or maybe it’s 'cause I’ve not been hit by a Bolt From The Blue, or maybe because I’ve been a decent husband and father, or maybe (I really hope!) it’s because MIL is growing-up at last.

Sabrenia’s gonna need love and support, and distance. She’ll feel guilty, like she’s abandoning her family, and she’ll need help with that, too. She’ll need some kind of support structure outside of that she gets from trusted friends, something she can belong to, a crutch to help fill the void that church and family are leaving in her life. Crutches are good, while you’re in pain and healing, but once she’s well on the path of healing, she’ll need help growing beyond her crutch(es), to full independance. In short, helping Sabrenia is going to be a project, and she’s gonna have to be a full partner on that project. You don’t have to go the whole distance with her, you’ve just got to help her find her path, and see that she finds another caring guide. She’s got to do the rest on her own.

I’m not advocating that she abandon her family, just that she get some breathing room until she’s got her head bolted on straight. When she’s found herself, she’ll be able to handle anything family or church throw at her.

Good luck, and God Bless.