Get your liar ass in here, Sweet Willy!

The BBQ Pit
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In this thread, http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=103220&perpage=50&pagenumber=1, I warned you that you were headed for the Pit. Well, it’s here.

You have repeatedly made assertions about the Masons that can charitably be referred to as leaps to conclusions, although the more accurate term would be teleporting to conclusions, based on no evidence. When presented with the evidence proving your assertions to be false, you post more false assertions. The latest is in the linked thread and is more BS.

You really should use the Bullshit Flag as your sig line.

Well, I shall now allow you to be the beneficiary of the Monty Dissection:

I have checked out the Order of DeMolay’s website quite a few times. I am impressed by their ability, which you lack, to relate facts.

The fact that the Order of DeMolay conducts membership drives and actually solicits members has no bearing on the fact that Freemasonry does not solicit members. Your continued assertion that it does when you have been shown the actual evidence disproving your assertion shows you are no more, but possibly even less, than a fool.

You might also try to learn a tad about the Chivalric Knights of the Holy Order of the Fellow Soldiers of Jacques DeMolay. This esteemed group, of which I am also a member, does not conduct membership drives as their admission policy is identical to the Masons but with one major difference: one must be a DeMolay to join the Knighthood.

This is yet another BS assertion on your part. As one is not required to be a DeMolay prior to becoming a Maon, nor is one required to become a Mason if one is a DeMolay, your assertion that the group is a feeder is a false conclusion. For proof, you might want to go back to the linked thread and see my answer to your question of my membership in Freemasonry.

Whether a description of an event amuses you or not has no bearing on its truth.

Here’s some advice for you: On the SDMB, folks expect proof of assertions. My assertion is you are a liar. I have proved it a number of times.

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Ahh…is this the part where you send the masons over to my house? Better yet why don’t you come on over Monty. I was raised surrounded by the Masons and Demolay Monty. You might fool the rest of the folks in here but I know what you and your organization are about. I don’t condem them. I don’t subscribe to thier school of thought either. It just is what it is. I don’t expect you to admit it Monty. You are part of the group. I don’t suggest you turn on your brothers. What I do suggest is that any fool can see that the masons actively recruit members. You are a liar Monty. Don’t be ashamed. I have lied from time to time to cover my ass too. Admitting to it and aquiring objective point of view is just part of growing up. BTW I am impressed by your post count.

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Willy, what in the hell have you been smoking?

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Lemme get this straight, Willy… because Monty doesn’t automatically leap on the conspiracy theory du jour bandwagon with you and the rest of the aluminum-helmet denizens of America, he must be “one of them”?

Explain that, if you please. Without using phrases such as “it is what it is”.

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Monty insist that the Masons don’t recruit. That is just crap and I am calling it out. Did you guys check out the links I just provided in the masons thread? There are hundreds of lodges with web pages full of information on how to join the group. Just do a search on masons and take your pick. Monty can cry all day that they don’t recruit members but it is a lie. Just saying it doesn’t make it so. Do your homework and visit the sites. “we can’t ask you to join but we can ask you to ask us to join” Big Bullshit flag.

Demolay is a part of the masons. They were founded by and do not operate independently of the masons. They are listed on the masons own web sites as “other masonic groups”. They are to masons what cub scouts is to the BSA and they recruit heavily also. Monty, again I say you are a liar.

I don’t expect Monty to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon. He has called me a liar when the proof is in his face. Admit that the masons recruit Monty and I’ll forgive you.

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What I’m wondering is why recruitment necessarily bears any relevance to conspiracy theory. I mean, if you are part of the New World Order, why do you recruit? Can’t you just aim some mind-control rays at the folks who forgot to wear their tin-foil hats?

Heck, even PBS recruits for ‘memberships’ – it brings in money they need. I dare say the Masons are likely to do so for the same reasons.

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Hey I got no problem with the masons recruiting. What I have a problem with is Monty calling me a liar. I don’t have any objection to any group recruiting members. Monty says the masons don’t don’t recruit and calls me a liar for showing that they do. The point is not recruitment. The point is that Monty says it is a lie. It is not a lie.

I see that he has started another pit thread. I won’t be obliged to read until he brings his cowardly ass in here and finnishes this bull shit lie that he started.

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You are exhibiting many of the classic symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

DISCLAIMER: I’m not a Mason, although Willy might think I am.

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I’ve not had any history of mental illness but some one is delusional here. This debate has gone from the possibility that two very important people may have been sheltered by and of a very old, deeply rooted, global fraternity, to the possibility that said fraternity does not even recruit members . And this guy pulled me into the pit for this!!?? If you wanna make peace about this I’ll be around Monty.

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Well, Willyboy, the history had to begin sometime. Apparently you are delusional now. Checking the links you provided in the GD thread shows no flashing lights; however, all of the links prove the exact opposite of your assertion.

In case you haven’t noticed, I have zero tolerance for fools, liars, and just plain jerks. You qualify for each category.

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OK. If anyone else doesn’t see the flashing message at this site please let me know. I might need a shrink…or an optomitrist.

http://www.kynd.net/~hamlins/prl3.htm

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Ok, Willy, I see where it says “2B1 ASK1”.

Is this what you’re basing your recruiting argument on? I’ve seen the phrase “To be a mason, ask a mason” many times, but that’s hardly what I would consider recruiting. Recruiting, as far as I understand it, is going out and actively pursuing a person to join your group. Military recruiters actively go out to high schools and colleges and try to convince people to enlist. They ask people to join, they actively pursue new members.

What I’m getting out of that site you linked is that they’re saying Masons aren’t trying to be exclusionary, they can talk about it, they just can’t ask people to join. Again, it seems to me that recruiting is asking people to join, not just saying, “Here we are, if you have any questions ask.”

That site seems to say to me, that they will not ask or pressure you to join. They will not seek you out and try to convince you to become a Mason, but if you have questions about what they do, they will answer them. That’s not recruiting in my book. Recruiting is seeking out and trying to enlist new members.

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Willy, did you read the first paragraph on that page? Or are you just a fucking moron?

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Hey, don’t rule out the proctologist.

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The problem with thier system is this. I ask a known mason if I could join the lodge. That single person will determine if he will invite me to join the masons. He alone makes the decision. All and any predjudice he would have towards me is left to that person alone. The lodge trust that person not to invite any undesiralbles for whatever reasons. They selectively recruit based on summary judgement of one man to another. It is the same as people renting houses here in the south. If they harbour prejudice for certain groups of people they can’t exactly advertise. Otherwise the predjudice would be exposed for what it is. The people I rent from now and 4 years ago are the same. They weren’t exactly offering the house for rent…but if you ask…and you aren’t the kind of person we were avoiding by not advertising…

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And yet again, Monty was right. The Bullshit Flag really should be Willy’s sig line.

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This house is not for rent

(But if you would like to ask anyway we would be happy to talk to you. Take HWY 401 to the intersection of US 1 and turn right. We are the third house with the big flashing sign that says “We Might Like To Rent You A House But You Will Have To Ask”)

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That would be the tiny little non-flashing big flashing sign, now would it?

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I swear to God that this Sweet Willy moron provokes me beyond all reason. He is a prime example of what deliberate, willfull ignorance induces in a person. It is frightening to think that his vote in a public election counts as much as anyone else’s.

As stated elsewhere, I am a 32nd Degree Mason, although no longer an active member of a Lodge of Masons. I am the son, grandson, and great-grandson of Masons. It was taken for granted that I would be a Mason in my turn. Even so, I was not recruited by the Masons–I had to petition a Lodge in order to join. I have never known anyone who was recruited by a Lodge or by a member of any Lodge. A member who was found to be guilty of recruitment could well find himself expelled from membership.

Get this, Willy: The Masonic Society DOES NOT recruit. That is the simply, plain, bed-rock truth of the matter. It is a pity that you are too fucking stupid to comprehend something that simple.

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So, let me get this straight. If you simply let it be known that new members are welcome, but you don’t actively try to do anything to convert people to your cause, then you are recruiting.

I guess the gay community really is recruiting after all. :eek: