''Gifted Children'' - Where Are You Now?

Yes I would think so. Sorry, I thought I answered that question in the reply. I see that I didn’t. I would say if you were obviously the most intelligent person in your class/school, you were gifted. If your teachers made a fuss about how brilliant you were and how you would go on to do big things, you’re gifted. That’s my unofficial working definition for the purpose of this thread.

As for my husband… he was not a gifted child. He was a smart child who did well in school. I don’t know if he had a G&T program in his school… he went to a Catholic school and received a vastly superior education than mine.

I guess what I’m trying to say by using him as an example is that he’s a brilliant guy working on a Ph.D. in clinical psychology at a good school. He graduated with a higher undergraduate GPA than I did (though I admit severe depression on my part played into that.) There is no practical difference between me and him. I was a gifted child and he was not, but our outcome was basically the same, and he had the added benefit of not struggling with crippling insecurity (at least not until he started his Ph.D. program, ha!)

OK, not meeting it then. No gifted program and the special treatment I got was all negative. Thanks :slight_smile:

Officially tested and certified “gifted” kid, got pretty much straight As taking the hardest classes throughout HS without much effort, participated in many activities. Got to college in an honors engineering program, found out I lacked study skills and self-discipline, and that I wasn’t nearly as smart as I thought I was. Washed out of engineering, switched majors, finished undergrad with straight As, got a graduate fellowship, joined the Foreign Service and have been a diplomat for 20+ years now. I haven’t yet, and almost certainly won’t, make ambassador, so I guess I haven’t lived up to my full potential, but I’ve done extremely well by most standards. Professionally and for the most part, personally, life has been damn good.

I had a directionless crisis in college, found that I really liked law school, and have lucked into some very good lawyer jobs.

And I’m still really good at rattling off world capitals. Ouagadougou or bust!

I began reading at 2; at 5, when I entered kindergarten, the school called in someone to test me. According to the paperwork I received later, I was tested at every grade level until Grade 12, when I failed. My parents were advised to skip me ahead until at least fifth grade, but they refused because of my sister’s animosity toward me; she was in the first grade and having her younger sister be years ahead would be a catastrophe, in their opinion. So I remained in kindergarten.

The school didn’t have a gifted program, but they bought some materials, flash cards and the like, and I spent a few hours a day working alone with them while the rest of the class did their work. In first through third grades, the classes were divided into reading groups at their levels, the “slow” group needed a lot of help; the average group and the advanced group. In first grade I was put in charge of the average group. I certainly was not mature enough to supervise eight or ten of my fellow 6-year-olds, and I grew frustrated and snappy at them, which didn’t make me any friends. I didn’t realize at the time how unfair it was; I just wanted to read my own books, not help other kids sound out words.

I also didn’t realize that my parents had been told not to make me finish anything I didn’t feel like finishing. It’s hard to believe, but I have it in writing, and it started me on a lack of initiative that I feel to this day. My mother died when I was in second grade, and my sister and I fought constantly. All I wanted was to be left alone to read, my sister wanted attention, and my father wanted to be somewhere else without two demanding little girls. He was so profoundly depressed that he literally couldn’t make decisions about what to buy at the grocery store, so I started doing that.

When I got to fourth grade they had added a G&T program, so I had some “competition,” and some peers. But I never had anyone to inquire if I’d done my homework, what time I’d gone to bed, how my classes were, if I liked my teachers. I got straight A’s with little effort and no interest in anything at all. Go to school, come home, cook dinner, do laundry, watch TV, read, fight with sister, listen to sister fight with father, go to bed.

When I found out my fellow graduates had actually gone to look at colleges they were thinking about attending, I was astonished. You mean their families had gone with them to visit various colleges to help them decide which one was the best fit for them? And that they cared enough to ask the student’s opinion? My father told me where I was going based on location. The next-nearest college was too far away; “something might happen.” Never mind that I was accepted at Brown and Smith and Penn. I’m living at home and commuting, because paranoia trumps all.

When I was 21 I got a letter from the Board of Education telling me I needed to pick up my records or they would be destroyed. It was the results of my testing.

I can’t blame my mother for dying, but I’ve tried. I can’t blame my father for being depressed, but I can be angry that he didn’t get help. I can be glad I’m recovering from PTSD from living with a sister who had both borderline personality disorder (see current threads) AND bipolar disorder AND was an alcoholic, and glad that though I am not rich and famous and successful, and don’t live up to my fabulous potential, I am ALL RIGHT and my husband thinks so too.

But WHAT THE FUCK was that about, “Don’t make her finish anything she doesn’t feel like finishing?” THAT woman I want to go back in time and kick in the ass. And I have her name, too.

I’m not reading this thread because it will almost certainly make me upset. I’ll tell my story though.

I learned to read by myself and got IQ tested at a young age, after which my parents were determined to give me a good education. I went to a Montessori school for elementary school, a school for gifted children in middle and high school, then went to Carleton College. For those not familiar with it, it’s consistently in the top 10, if not top 5 liberal arts schools in US News’ rankings. I then went to a local school (Wayne State) for grad school, and have finished a master’s in mathematics. That’s the end of the good stuff.

I’m basically unemployed, have no idea where I can possibly get a job, and am struggling with treatment resistant depression. I do act as a homemaker for my mother (my father died when I was 15 and she hasn’t remarried), and do some volunteering for collectible card game tournaments, but I have no prospects for a job and going back for a PhD is currently too scary. My Asperger Syndrome makes it nearly impossible for me to teach, and I already have way too much in loans. I have no idea what I’m going to do with my life, and am considering going back to work for a local (7-store chain) grocery store just to earn some money.

I’m working with Michigan Rehabilitation Services to try to find a job, but the process is slow. They gave me an IQ test as part of the process, and I came out at 143 I think. However, being smart doesn’t by itself make people want to hire you, I have no job skills except the ability to think very well, and I absolutely refuse to “sell myself” to people as I am afraid to come off as arrogant.

After trying almost everything, Adderall has finally helped with my depression, but when I think again on the status of my life, I still can’t see myself going anywhere.

I was gifted but like a few other folks here, I had/have no drive. My brother is not gifted, and I think I tried to be like him, and my parents wanted us to be equal so no one pushed me. I just was left to my own devices.

Don’t know about how early I learned to read. In 3rd grade I was placed in the gifted class, which meant I had to go to the middle school with kids from other elementary schools and miss my regular class one day a week. My mom didn’t like that so she took me out of it.

While stuck in regular class, my teachers put a lot of pressure on me to be the leader of different activities, and I hated it, so my mom talked to the teachers and told them to stop it.

Going from middle school to high school I told the guidance counselor that I didn’t want to be in the smart classes anymore, so they put me in the regular classes. That sucked because the regular classes did indeed make me bored and frustrated. So in 10th grade I got put up with the smart kids and that was fine.

I followed the “fair-to-middlin’” smartness track, just taking the honors classes but not the AP classes. Most of my friends got college credits. I just hung around being in band instead.

In college I was technically in the honors school but didn’t take any classes for honors credit. I told my advisor I didn’t want to be in honors anymore and he urged me to stay in it just because they were giving me money. So I stuck with that.

Schoolwork was fine. I was fine at getting homework done and turned in. Tests were fine. I did just enough work all through school to get A’s and B’s. I just happened to be good at getting things done and taking tests.

After school I decided I didn’t want to do what I had majored in (journalism) and fell into an opportunity to have my own business and learn programming. So I did that, and have been doing that for about 10 years.

In my business I’m an under-achiever too. My paycheck reflects the amount of work I’m willing to put in. I refuse to pay myself more because my partner is an over-achiever and I don’t want to work as hard as him, so he can have all the money.

So yeah, like Aesiron said way at the beginning…intelligence doesn’t mean much without drive. I was smart, I am smart, but I don’t live up to any exciting potential.

I was part of this study, Study of Mathematically Precocious Youth - Wikipedia, due to high achievement in 7th grade math. Took the SAT in 8th grade, and did well, but not exceptional. I excelled in Math through high school, found it very interesting and easy. Turns out, however, my aptitude for math was primarily for the “basic” stuff. Once I got past calculus, I found it difficult and uninteresting. In college I studied history, then went on to law school. I’m not sure I was ever really “gifted.” Some things that were average difficulty to others were a bit easier for me.

Aside from the 2 degrees in 3 years, this could be me. After taking 7 years at 2 schools to get one degree, I finally figured out what had been making me miserable for so many years. I really, really hated being a student. To pull a number out of my ass, I’d say 75% of the reason I even returned to college after dropping out and taking a year off was that I thought it was what I was supposed to do.

I can look back now and say that even as a “talented and gifted” kid, I didn’t love school as much as it just came easily to me. Things changed by high school, and my grades went all to hell, as some studying was needed by then to make the grades, but the motivation just wasn’t there for me. My class rank was 140-something out of 255. I was lucky to graduate at all. But yet, since I still hadn’t figured out that there were other options besides going right to college, the misery continued for some more years.

Intelligent, educated and… blue collar by choice. Now there’s a combo that will blow peoples’ minds. My only regret now is that I didn’t figure this out earlier. I could have saved myself a hell of a lot of suffering.

I, like DCnDC learned to pass tests early in life; I don’t know my grammar school (K-6) grades but they were probably close to an A. We did not have a gifted program since I was in Catholic schools. I remember in the 4th grade, teachers learned to give me extra tests (the fifth grade test, for example) to keep me busy as I tended to finish early.

We moved to another city when I started Junior High (7-8) and then I tended to slow down; life was tougher and I actually studied. This was another Catholic school and I was taught by the Christian Brothers. If you know anything about them, they are rather tough. In high school I had to study for most classes but was often bored, as a result I took an after school job to fill the time. What I really wanted even from junior high was to get a job and make money. At least in high school, I could do that. I actually took a typing class from our local ‘night school’ but was barred from that as California law didn’t allow a student of one high school to take ‘extra’ classes. I later took typing at my high school the next semester in place of trig.

I’ve liked most every job I’ve ever had even those that others would consider menial. I married a wonderful woman and have fathered seven children. I have 17 grand children; to me that’s successful.

Reading by three, salutatorian of my law school class as an adult.

Sonofabitch who beat me must have been reading by two, goddamnit! :mad:

I tried to send you a private message, but it does not look like you have it enabled. I know someone who does/used to work for VR in Michigan, but it might not be in your same area. If you want to send me a PM, I could see if I can help?

Francis Lewis. Cardozo wasn’t built when I entered, but my brother went there, so I would have. I saw from an article in the Times that Francis Lewis still overcrowded because it attracts so many students. For Junior High, I was exactly 10 years behind Steve Gould in JHS 74.

In the district where I live now, this depends on the number of GATE students per school. Some schools have tons, and they have tracks, but others have just a few per grade, and they get infrequent pull outs. I agree that tracks are more efficient, but I don’t think it is feasible in smaller schools.

Where we lived in NJ had pull out classes also for those especially gifted in math, but the overall level of student and instruction was very high (our town had a lot of research centers) so it didn’t matter very much.

I’d like to ask another question for parents. If at least one of your kids is gifted also, did being gifted in school help raise him or her?

For me, I found it very helpful. I could understand her intensity, and I could give positive feedback. I especially could understand her desire to push herself which my wife has trouble with. In the GATE parent meetings I went to I could tell that a lot of parents were confused by their kids, and found them mysterious, while I could relate to the characteristics of GATE kids our administrator listed, having had them myself.

There used to be a fairly common sitcom plot - Dennis the Menace used it - where the kid was (mistakenly) marked as a genius, and parents and teachers totally freaked out. I hated those shows.

I’ve been lurking in this thread, hesitating to post since it started. I went to a merit-based school - does that count as “gifted?” I had to test in.

Anyway, I did pretty well there, though once I got in, it was more challenging than public school. So, though I received high marks in high school, I didn’t really do stellar until college. My high school class sizes were very small - my smallest was just me and one other guy, since we were the only ones speaking Spanish at the level we were in. I was multilingual at that point, speaking three languages reasonably well (not just conversational). Now I read seven and speak five. Languages are really my thing because I tend to find associations between languages pretty easy. I love science, so I want to learn more about it, and do. I love challenging communications because they’re like a puzzle. I’m abysmal at math, though.

Anyway, I went to a prestigious university both for my undergrad and graduate degree and am now very successful at something that has nothing to do with either degree, but that the process of getting them prepared me very well for (the research aspect was quite helpful). I’m a senior-level product manager in government entitlement programs, managing all the regulatory affairs for my small part of the company. I’ve been able to realize all my childhood dreams of “When I grow up, I want to be X” (I did that before I started doing what I’m doing now), but I attribute that more to my mom than anything else.

I really don’t like my mother that much anymore and I don’t respect her. She drinks too much, says nasty things when she’s hammered (which is often) and I try not to leave her alone with my children. But the few positive things she taught me were diligence, ambition, the value of manners, plus cooking and sewing, all of which have come in handy throughout my entire life.

Regardless, my early childhood can’t hold a candle to most of the Dopers here. I have no idea when I learned to read, though I can tell you it’s extremely doubtful it was as early as 2 or 3. I was probably still rolling around on the floor with the dog at that point. Once I did learn to read, I read voraciously. My IQ was only tested in college as part of a study I agreed to participate in. It was high, but I don’t think that had much to do with anything. I’ve met some people who had really high IQs or that were getting their PhDs that were functional idiots. Oh, and I almost forgot. I feel stupider every year. I don’t know if that actually makes me stupider or smarter, but my awareness of my own stupidity increases exponentially every time I learn something new.

The mark of a true intellectual, if you ask me.

My wife went to Francis Lewis and graduated twelve or so years ago. She often had to sit on the radiators, share textbooks, or attend class in unheated trailers. The first shift (of three or four, I forget) started so early that students were out of school by noon.

That’s not gifted, that just overpraised and underchallenged.

I went to an elite public high school that you can only enter by examination. 26,000 of NYC’s best and brightest 8th graders compete for 900 spots in the freshman class.

Believe you me, I was NOT the smartest person in that room, not by a long shot. Just by being there, however, I was among the upper echelon of intelligence for high school students in New York City (not saying there aren’t people as smart or smarter who for various reasons go to other high schools). According to your definition, I was not “gifted” because I was made to realize that, among relatively smart people, I was in the middle of the pack. I met people there who were GIFTED in all caps, really superintelligent or supertalented beyond my wildest understanding and subsequently took a more humble view of my smarts.

At any rate, I’m an attorney now. I have never had any notable academic, professional, or social problems. The best thing I got from my unGifted education was the realization that I will never, ever be “the best,” and that’s just fine. Being who I want to be is more important.

My parents didn’t put much stock in inherent ability or native intelligence. I asked once what my IQ was, and they said “it’s not important.” I actually still don’t know.

It’s 142.

You’re welcome.