I don’t hate women, hell I don’t even hate my exSO… I have been dooing a lot of reflecting and looking at mostly the good times. She got parnoid just as you did, just because a man gets angry and exhibits a minimal amout of force to keep a situiation in hand dose not make him prone to beating the crap out of lesbians.
Also to answer the question about joke flirting with other guys, well I have had gay roomies before and am very secure in my hetterosexuality and yes I have joked arround with them. But stoped once I got into a short lived relationship in college, mostly because I felt it wasn’t right for me to be even joking arround with that kind of stuff while I was seeing someone, I felt guilty.
As for the fad crap about it being cool for straight women to act bi arround their friends… well it’s just that a fad. I’m not attracted to lesbians, and am in no way intresed in group activities. As for it being no diffrent for a man, well guess what, two women can be unfaithful just as easily… just because you like to watch dosen’t mean they will tell you… otherwise according to KellyM you might get physical.
So what have we learned kiddies, unless you are in an open relationship and your man approves of you going off and screwing what ever you want then you had better fear for your life because he is a possessive jerk and a possible rapist and murder.
I’m gonna go drill into my skull and relive the primiative urges to kill now… maybe let some of those damn evil spirits out that makes all us men so naughty. :eek:
So just out of morbid curiosity, do the “evolutionary throwback” and “scumwad” tags still apply to me, or are they part of the overall “talk smack about KellyM” conspiracy?
I agree that one of us seems to have issues regarding the opposite sex. And – this will shock you! – I don’t think it’s me.
Prevarication doesn’t become you, KellyM. Let’s take a look at two quotes from you, shall we?
Now, one can argue that you technically never called NPavelka a rapist, but one can also argue that you pirouetted so closely around the point that it would’ve taken an electron microscope to distinguish between the two.
For example, I can say “KellyM’s statements in this thread indicate to me that she is likely to be, or at some point become, a misandrist who might physically harm an innocent man.” Is this statement false? Technically, no. In reality, it’s the height of hypocrisy to claim I’m not calling you a misandrist. (NOTE: The above paragraph is for demonstration purposes only; I do not believe KellyM hates all men.)
I won’t even go into the “evolutionary throwback” and “scumwad” epithets; you obviously know nothing about me, and subsequent posters have belied your statement that “everyone else knows” that’s what I am, inasmuch as others seem to think you’re a little on the fringe in this discussion as opposed to me.
Please, like i knew you were a lesbian until you said it just now. I think you hate all men because you were claiming that any of them that would use force on potential rivals are potential rapists. Since a majority of men would, it follows a majority of men are rapists in your book. I for one don’t give a flying rat fuck whether you are a lesbian or a Clown Makeup Wearing Garfield Doll Defiler, you are an idiot, your words show you jump to conclusions and make broad sweeping condemnations, then hide behind your percieve persecution of lesbian hating (again, unjustified because until you claimed you were being lesbian persecuted, i had no clue you were, and i bet others didn’t either).
KellyM, I assume that I don’t qualify as a “Woman-Hating Swine”. I haven’t made any claims one way or the other about things you’ve said in this thread. I commented that I thought that NPavelka was out of line with his actions, and that any beau of mine would be out of line if he tried the same sort of thing with me.
All that being said, I have to say that you’re really coming across as a nut-bar here. You’re accusing people of stuff, suggesting really horrible facts that aren’t in evidence, and really not supporting your argument very well.
I dunno if perhaps you want to change the tone of your posts a tad, or if your happy coming across as a deranged, man-hating harpy.
That’s fascinating. To discover that I have a hidden bias against lesbians is eye-opening, but the truly amazing part is that my subconscious is able to apply this bias to people I don’t even know are lesbians.
(1) joking around lesbo action: Not cheating in the slightest bit. Unless the two friends had real genuine intense romantic feelings for each other, there’s nothing to be jealous of. Just good fun. Take a fucking joke and stop being so possesive.
Look at any plug in. There are FEMALE ends and MALE ends.
Two female ends can’t “plug in” with each other. They just sort of rub up against each other. So long as your significant other isn’t “plugging in” with anybody else, I don’t see it as an issue.
See, this is why I’m closer to (but not anywhere near full agreement) to KellyM’s side of this argument than NPavelka’s.
When a man gets angry and exhibits force against a woman in a situation where physical force is totally uncalled for and completely out of line, whether he would ever go any further is irrelevant. He has just set himself up to be feared and viewed as a potential threat. If you don’t like that, and don’t want to be viewed that way, then you don’t go around grabbing women just because they’re engaging in behaviour which triggers your jealousy reflexes. Period.
Your continued attempts to downplay the seriousness of grabbing your ex’s friend are, no doubt, what fueled KellyM’s assessment. The constant denial that behavior was inappropriate and the excuse-making is exactly the kind of things that abusive men do. Does that make NPavelka an abusive man? No. But it does add more weight to the idea that there’s merit toward that perception that he is a potential threat. If you don’t like that and don’t want to be viewed that way, then take responsibility when you engage in behaviors which are inappropriate, don’t try to make excuses for them.
Do you really not get it or are you being a beligerent jerk for kicks?
As the first person in this thread to call him an asshole, I’ll repeat that I’ve not changed my mind. And, as tlw aptly points out, this statement clearly indicates that our poor mistreated sap still refuses to admit that he had no right to forcefully touch his ex’s friend in the manner he did. He still seems to believe that force and violence were justified and that he did nothing wrong. The fact that the girlfriend “got paranoid” seems quite telling.
Yes, that is exactly what triggered the response I had for NPavelka. Normally, I wouldn’t be quite as nasty, but it was already in the Pit and I was in a particularly nasty mood that night, I guess.
It really disturbs me to see men defending their “right” to use physical force to stop voluntary intimate behavior. Men have no such right, regardless as to who is involved in that behavior, even their girlfriends or their wives. And yet reviewing this thread, we see a lot of people defending this supposed right, or at least making excuses for it. And that both frightens and saddens me.
I fully agree with you KellyM and TLW… I should not have used any sort of physical restraint against anyone, heindsight is 20/20. What I should have done is stand up and loudly call them “fucking whores”, so they would hopefully be just as embaresed as I was. Then leave…
After that they could have had a lickfest on the table for all I cared…
As much as you would like to think I take the use of any physical force lightly, I do not…
KellyM and TLW you’re both living in some absurd dreamworld if you think there a place on this planet where someone (man or woman) is going to be able to grope and cuddle someone’s SO in front of them and not have a significant probability that that person is going to react in a physically forceful manner. How many men or women do you think are going to sit there and suck it up while someone engages in an “in your face” display of naked territorial aggression like this?
KellyM, let’s take this from a different angle and see where you stand.
Assume that X and Y are in a committed, monogamous relationship. X comes home from work to see Y and Z going at it like ferrets in heat right there on the rug X bought for Y’s birthday.
Now, we know your feeling towards X. X shouldn’t get upset. X shouldn’t resort to any violence whatsoever. Right or wrong, let’s just leave that aside.
astro, the fact that a majority of individuals fail to behave morally doesn’t make their immoral conduct right. I will condemn wrongful behavior whether or not a majority of people would engage in it.
Enderw24, I think the hypothetical X is certainly entitled to get upset. X, regardless of gender, is not entitled to act with physical violence toward anyone, however. Y is presumably guilty of infidelity. Z’s guilt is difficult to ascertain without more facts and may very well, in fact, have none at all.
So I assume you’re going to hide behind tlw instead of apologizing for calling people who disagree with you “women-hating swine” and lesbian haters? How very classy.
I think what’s happening is that you’re applying your personal moral standards to a situation, and in this case your personal moral standards are set considerably higher than society’s. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that, and it’s commendable in you. But if I were to physically manhandle a male who was having sex with my wife, to the point of causing bruises and some scratches, I seriously doubt that I would be held accountable in a court of law for my actions. (However, I am not a lawyer, and I could be wrong on this point.) In that sense, I have the “right” to do that to the man in question.
What concerns me, though, is that you are willing to lump people into the “lesbian-hating” camp, or the “potential rapist” camp, or the “women-hating swine” camp for daring to disagree with you. (Again, I’m disregarding the “evolutionary throwback” and “scumwad” camps, since I apparently occupy those all by my lonesome.) I’m amazed that you can be so enlightened on one issue and yet have such knee-jerk, misinformed opinions of others who disagree with you on that issue. The contradiction baffles me, honestly. You remind me of those “Christians” who love Christ so much they’re willing to kill anyone else who isn’t a Christian.