Girls gone Wild

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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[QUOTE=WhyNot]
Now THAT I find horrifying and disturbing on all levels. Why is it sexually exciting to think someone is being taken advantage of and exploited?
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I’m not a straight man with miscogynistist tendencies but I’ll take a stab at it.

A woman who plays hard to get is supposedly an age-old turn on for men. Why? Perhaps because it speaks to her value. An “easy cheap” woman is not as desirable because obviously if she’s easy and cheap, that means she has had a hard time attracting and keeping a man. Her easy cheapness is a byproduct of desperation which in turn is a byproduct of her being damaged goods.

If you introduce alcohol to the picture, a woman who otherwise would play hard to get (and be desirable in the process) can suddenly behave in a “easy cheap” fashion and get away with it. A man will be turned on by the idea that he’s taking advantage of a woman the same way bargain shoppers get turned on when they find a pair of $300 Neiman Marcus shoes marked down to $30 bucks at a Burlington Coat Factory.

Take alcohol out of the picture, and the girls on GGW would just be a bunch of skanks who have probably done the whole town. Who wants to fantasize about that? With alcohol there, you can allow yourself to assume that these are good wholesome girls that have been cajoled into a trampy situation unexpectedly. That’s good fantasy fodder.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go bleach my brain now. Toodles.

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[QUOTE=BMalion]
As a 46 year old man I’d like to point out that I’d lift up my shirt for some beads if anyone is interested.
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Hey c’mon man, were talking tits here, not flab.

Honestly, some people :slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=chowder]
Hey c’mon man, were talking tits here, not flab.

Honestly, some people :slight_smile:
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Actually, I have the chiselled torso of a male model.

It’s in the trunk of my car.

Bada-boom.

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[QUOTE=ralph124c]
Suppose you are a girl, at a college campus, and you (foolishly) allow yourself to be videoptaped while naked and drunk. now, you see your ass flashed on screens across America-are you owed any part of the profits? or did you sign one of those “fine print” disclosure statements? Seems like the gals who bare their asses ought toget paid for it!
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They sign paperwork that relinquishes their rights, I’m sure. I know there have been a few court cases in regard to whether or not a contract signed while the person is drunk is able to be upheld. I’m assuming GGW won, since they continue on with their practices.

I honestly can’t feel that bad for the girls that aren’t getting a cut. I’ve 21. I’ve been drunk. I’ve been drunk and done stupid things. I’ve been drunk and puked up the entire contents of my stomach because I was so drunk. That said, even when I was so drunk I couldn’t hold down some crackers, I was fully aware of my actions.

I know someone will pop in and say, “Oh, so it’s THEIR fault for being drunk and taken advantage of? Blame the victim!” but you know, yeah, it is their fault. They weren’t slipped a date rape drug, dragged to the bus of Francis’ shoulder, and gang raped by the crew. They chugged down 8 margaritas, giggled and ground all over Francis, then willingly stripped naked, and had sex with their best friend on camera.

All at the same time though, the girls that are doing it just because it’s fun and they have no regrets? Well, that’s their business. I don’t really see anything wrong with it, just as I don’t see anything wrong with people in porn. As long as they aren’t doing it for a dumb reason (which, I’d hazard to guess that most of the girls on GGW are), it’s fine.

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[QUOTE=BMalion]
As a 46 year old man I’d like to point out that I’d lift up my shirt for some beads if anyone is interested.
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Promise me you won’t be doing this at the Cleveland Dopefest.

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[QUOTE=GrizzRich]
Promise me you won’t be doing this at the Cleveland Dopefest.
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I’m perfectly willing to negotiate.

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[QUOTE=you with the face]

It’s not the exhibition that bothers me. It’s the whole “I’ll perform stupid tricks for you on camera if only we both pretend I’m too drunk to exercise good judgement, and you look at me and make me feel hot” mentality that gives me the creeps and makes me want to strangle somebody.
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Well…that probably sounded a lot more sane in your head. :eek:

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[QUOTE=you with the face]
I’m not a straight man with miscogynistist tendencies but I’ll take a stab at it.

A woman who plays hard to get is supposedly an age-old turn on for men. Why? Perhaps because it speaks to her value. An “easy cheap” woman is not as desirable because obviously if she’s easy and cheap, that means she has had a hard time attracting and keeping a man. Her easy cheapness is a byproduct of desperation which in turn is a byproduct of her being damaged goods.

If you introduce alcohol to the picture, a woman who otherwise would play hard to get (and be desirable in the process) can suddenly behave in a “easy cheap” fashion and get away with it. A man will be turned on by the idea that he’s taking advantage of a woman the same way bargain shoppers get turned on when they find a pair of $300 Neiman Marcus shoes marked down to $30 bucks at a Burlington Coat Factory.

Take alcohol out of the picture, and the girls on GGW would just be a bunch of skanks who have probably done the whole town. Who wants to fantasize about that? With alcohol there, you can allow yourself to assume that these are good wholesome girls that have been cajoled into a trampy situation unexpectedly. That’s good fantasy fodder.

Now if you excuse me, I have to go bleach my brain now. Toodles.
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Okay, but if everyone is buying the shoes on clearance, doesn’t that devalue them?

Take it to a monkey brain level: woman acts sexually promiscuous = you might be raising someone else’s sprog. This is a bad thing, evolutionarily speaking. So we can possibly stretch that to: woman who acts uptight = better chances that her sprog will be his alone. So…uptight woman temporarily acting promiscuous in the company of other men takes us right back to sprog might be someone else’s. Doesn’t work.

Seems like, if anything, male fantasies would be only about uptight women who become sexually aroused by them and them alone - lots and lots of women aroused by only them. Which, I’m aware, is a common theme - naughty librarians, nurses, teachers, etc. Skanky hos, even temporary skanky hos, shouldn’t be appealing at all, evolutionarily, unless the man has reason to believe it’s his overpowering manliness causing her behavior. Alcohol intoxication should *reduce *the appeal, since it means she might be off making babies with someone else while her inhibitions are lowered.

I suspect this had much more to do with psychology and sociology, murky waters indeed.

And storyteller0910, thank you for reaffirming my faith that some men are not scum. :wink:

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[QUOTE=BMalion]
I’m perfectly willing to negotiate.
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With or without the chiselled torso.

Oh never mind, I feel a migraine coming on…

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Stuff like Girls Gone Wild harshly contradicts the prevailing messages men are fed about the objectification of women.

I think it’s safe to say that the vast majority of men like the sight of a nekkid lady. However, society and most likely some women in a man’s life have drilled into them that objectification is bad. Pornography is bad. Women are not sex objects, et cetera. Never mind the lapse of logic that assumes that since a man sees one woman objectifying herself in a strip club or in pornography that that man cannot help but regard her as a representative for the entire female gender.

But the “everyday girls” that appear in the Girls Gone Wild video illustrate an important distinction:

  1. These girls aren’t working — as a stripper or porno performer are when they’re doing similar things — they’re partying. There is a reality inherent in these videos that sets it apart from porno. I would argue that opponents of pornography ought to see these as a greater danger to the objectification of everyday women than porn stars to do it for a living.

  2. They’re immature and inebriated. These out-of-control aspects limit the credence that these girls are “embracing their sexuality” (which I do applaud in women — hell, all people — who are mature and in-control of their faculties.

Ultimately, this is simply another instance of “kids do dumb stuff when they’re young.” The salient difference are that this behavior has an audience (in the general sense — not specifically the people who actually purchase or rent a GGW video). And, unfortunately, a percentage — hopefully a very very very small percentage — of that audience are sexual predators. Far be it from me to tell somebody else how to live their life, I only hope they’re guarding against the creeps that want something more that they want to share.

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I thought most of the GGW legal troubles came from girls lying about their age to appear on video, i didn’t know there were any rape or abuse allegations. Living in Orlando and being a big fan of spring break ive ran into the Girls Gone Wild crews very frequently and one thing that always struck me as funny was that every single girl we met that had done something for them was absofreakinglutely sure they were going to be on the cover.

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[QUOTE=DigitalC]
… one thing that always struck me as funny was that every single girl we met that had done something for them was absofreakinglutely sure they were going to be on the cover.
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Personally, I love being totally anonymous. I wouldn’t want 15 minutes of fame if it was forced on me. Why anyone would, I have no idea

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I usually fall asleep on the couch during The Daily Show or Colbert and invariably Comedy Central has Girls Gone Wild infommercials on the early morning when I start to come back to consciousness. What a way to wake up. :smack:

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[QUOTE=chowder]
With or without the chiselled torso.

Oh never mind, I feel a migraine coming on…
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You’re good. That was my migraine that came on this afternoon.

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[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman]
What I don’t understand is why girls can show their boobs without legal consequences but if a boy flashes his dick he’ll be prosecuted.
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My sister and BIL went to a bike rally, and afterwards told me that women had been getting ticketed for flashing. (No, Sis didn’t flash.) BIL said that men were also getting ticketed for public urination, and the PD probably didn’t want any static: allow both, or neither, so they chose neither.

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But have you any evidence as to which half all these girls are in?

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I’ve clearly lead an extremely sheltered life.

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[QUOTE=CalMeacham]
I’ve clearly lead an extremely sheltered life.
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Maybe photographs count.

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Every time I see one of those Girls Gone Wild infomercials; I imagine that there’s some fifties-ish guy watching the DVD in the comfort of his own living room…

…and has an MI when he sees his own naked daughter “sharing the soap” in the shower with another co-ed.

Oh yeah… THAT makes for an uncomfortable Thanksgiving!

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[QUOTE=WhyNot]

Seems like, if anything, male fantasies would be only about uptight women who become sexually aroused by them and them alone - lots and lots of women aroused by only them. Which, I’m aware, is a common theme - naughty librarians, nurses, teachers, etc. Skanky hos, even temporary skanky hos, shouldn’t be appealing at all, evolutionarily, unless the man has reason to believe it’s his overpowering manliness causing her behavior. Alcohol intoxication should *reduce *the appeal, since it means she might be off making babies with someone else while her inhibitions are lowered.

I suspect this had much more to do with psychology and sociology, murky waters indeed.

And storyteller0910, thank you for reaffirming my faith that some men are not scum. :wink:
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This might explain why GGW (with flashing and lesbian action) is significantly more popular than similar porn like, say, College Fuckfest, that purports to show drunk chicks having promiscuous sex with guys.

And for another monkey-brain perspective: “She’s hot and wild, I can have sex with her and then go back to my totally non-skanky wife and have a free shot at doubling my reproductive pleasure.”

ETA: semi-relevant, but I’ve always heard two schools of thought on the appeal of lesbian porn. The sizable minority want hot chicks without any intruding, superfluous dicks in the way. The majority of guys I know want to imagine all lesbians in porn are actually bi, and they’re horny enough to get started on each other rather than wait for the man to show up.