I wasn’t given anything in terms of valuable property from my family. I make less than you by choice–I have the ability to be a PD solely because of the fact that I got a full-ride scholarship, and chose to give back rather than to go out and make a buck. Our initial investment into my husband’s business (I call it that even though the initial outlay of cash was ours because he does all the work for it) was $2500, then an additional $10K to buy out another partner early on. Needless to say, that’s paid off.
You may pull in a salary greater than I do, sure, but I can surely hold my own in this dick-swinging contest, sir. The point is, we both have moolah. It comes down to what we choose to do with it.
Bridget, I never asserted hospitals were closing because of immigrants but I’m sure I can find a couple if you so desire. I am equally sure that those same hospitals can only point to the fact that they were underpaid by ‘people’ as no doctor I know of asks for papers before they see the patient.
“Have Insurance?”
“no”
“Have a seat, someone will be with you shortly”
Let me get this straight. This Lou Dobbs wanna-be, Kearsen, writes an alarmist post equally blaming the pharma and insurance companies with emergency room care for immigrants and when called on his bullshit, he comes back with a cite from this site?
Take note, that’s not an addendum as much as it is a goddamn disclaimer for all the ensuing sewage.
So he then goes on to list endless xenophobic factoids dating all the way back to the fuckin’ sixties (yep, about the time the freakin’ hippies “ruined everything”) and we’re supposed to give credence to these two morons?
Guess there aren’t enough rolleyes I can add to this post.
RedFury, you feel that illegal aliens who pay no taxes yet receive welfare and free health care do not hamper our own ability to help the legal immigrants we currently support?
Ok, apologies, I thought the interests were given to you and were not from a business your husband created.
The very last part of your post is very much off topic. We are talking about a government program, which involves the government forcing me to do something with my money, so your quip about the differences in what we choose to do with our money is a complete non sequitur.
One thing I’ve never once heard you complain about is the bloated Pentagon budget, which in recent years has cost more than Universal Healthcare would. I’m kind of curious what your thoughts are on this.
They currently enjoy about 3 cents for every dollar of revenue. What purpose would this serve? What would you fix it at?
And this may be covered elsewhere in the thread (this is for anyone), but I have not been able to find much in the way of details regarding the changes proposed for pre-existing conditions. What exactly is being proposed? Someone with a known, pre-existing condition doesn’t need insurance, he needs medical care. If someone with stage IV cancer applies for health insurance, what should happen, based on what is being considered? To suggest that insurance ought to cover this is a tremendous misunderstanding of what insurance is.
Is it only if the condition were unknown? This makes absolutely no sense to me, unless there are details I’m missing that would restrict this in some reasonable way.
8.6 million people added to the “uninsured” list over a period of 6 years, 2 million of which were non-citizens. I think that quite adequately supports what he was claiming, unless you think that ~23%/2 million of the people added to the “uninsured” list over the last 6 years is somehow a trivial factor to the costs of healthcare.
I’ve never once heard you state your stance on whether Hitler was truly a bad guy or just misunderstood, but I’m not all that interested in it in any event.
I would imagine that most if not all of what the Pentagon does falls under the heading of things I think it’s OK for the government to do. Therefore, I would look at the budget item for that differently than the budget item for UHC. If it can be trimmed down, then that would be good. I’m not sure what more you want out of me than that.
No, it isn’t. It’s an argument for finding out whether you should support it, but anyone who would support a new law, hypothesis or contract by default is a fool who cannot be trusted to make rational decisions.
Yes it is - it’s equally strong with opposing it due to ignorance about it, because that’s a completely stupid idea too. The idea wasn’t that unthinking acceptance is good, it’s that unthinking rejection is bad.
Look, let’s face it, most of the people here who are in favor of it have no idea what’s in it; they just want to be able to go to the doctor anytime they want and not have to pay for it. And most of the people who are against it don’t have any idea what’s in it but they are opposed to it due to government inefficiency, long waits, the potential for care to be withheld due to cost, and an overriding belief that people sacrifice freedom when they turn important aspects of their life over to the government to handle.
Then we have the fact that, as I understand it, very few to none of the nation’s lawmakers have read the bill, and among those who’ve tried, they feel unqualified to decipher it. But according to Arlen Specter, it’s still necessary to push it through because “decisions have to be made fast”, as illustrated in the clip I linked to upthread.
I think that when you look at the pork in the rushed-through spending package that was so important that time couldn’t be taken to post it 48 hours in advance, as Obama promised, yet which could still languish on his desk for three days while he was on holiday, and the fact that most of the country’s lawmakers are ignorant of or uncomprehending of its content, and that many of those opposed simply don’t want the government in charge of this aspect of our lives, it is perfectly reasonable to oppose it without knowing what’s in it.
And for that matter, for those of us who oppose it for reasons of freedom from government intrusion on our lives, even knowing what’s in it doesn’t make it acceptable.
Or, perhaps, they want to go to the doctor and be able to pay for it. And since when are you peering into the minds of others and telling whats in there? Please present your Certificate of Telepathy for inspection.
I say I want it because its a good thing, other who agree with me say that as well, but you know that its because we are freeloaders? Who died and made you God?
Nifty! Ignorance is OK, even preferable, for those who share your faith. But yours is informed ignorance, where others are simply ignorant. If they are ignorant and agree with you, they get a pass, all others must demonstrate mastery.
Not at all. There is nothing in the world wrong with someone who opposes it becoming educated as to what it contains; it’s just that people can have perfectly valid reasons for opposing it that lie outside the scope of the bill’s content.
