Sorry, no. When we discuss what is legally right and wrong, we can at least look at the law. But as to what you find distasteful, I’m sure you might differ from me and we both likely differ from elucidator.
Thank goodness.
That’s as may be, Mr. Moto, but I don’t think even you would seriously suggest there is any equivalency here.
I didn’t suggest any such thing - in fact my assertion that different people find different things distasteful would seem to preclude that. And RNATB’s argument falls apart in an important respect - I find both the Ground Zero mosque and the Glenn Beck rally somewhat distasteful.
I find the Beck rally distasteful because it is going to be an orgy of right wing politicians coming to condemn anything that is not White Christian in America.
I find that people who find Park 51 distasteful apparently can’t understand that the motivations of the 9/11 terrorists were political, not religious. Or that they come from a splinter faction of Islam. Or that many of the 9/11 victims and first responders were Muslim. Or that it isn’t even a mosque. Or that you can’t see Ground Zero from the site. Or that there is already a mosque within four blocks of Ground Zero. Or that the imam in question is a moderate hired by the State Department to reach out to the Muslim world. Or that the imam condemned the murder of Daniel Pearl and attended his funeral.
What do you find distasteful about the Ground Zero mosque?If your point is simply that it is distasteful simply because some people choose to be offended by it, I suppose I can accept that.
Not quite the same, though. Glenn Beck is real.
The “Ground Zero mosque” is not.
To me it is akin to the controversy surrounding the convent at Auschwitz - in fact other commentators have remarked on this similarity. The Carmelite nuns had no connection to the Nazis, were trying to appropriately commemorate the Holocaust and were in a building far removed from the death camp and the work camp. That didn’t matter - their presence in a building connected with Auschwitz at all was hurtful to too many people and a distraction from their mission.
It was right for them to move to another site.
I should clarify, I haven’t even seen anyone suggest he shouldn’t hold it, just that he’s a jerk and it’s a big political ploy. Nobody at all is saying he shouldn’t do it, as far as I can see.
When ‘liberals’ are out in the street protesting that Beck is even there at all, we’ll have some equivalence. Perhaps that’s happening as we speak, but I haven’t seen any sign of it.
What site would you have the Park51 people move to?
Auschwitz.
Conservatives have been trying for decades to force values into politics. Now one of them says he wants to keep politics out of his values? He’s being self-serving and disingenuous.
I wouldn’t have them move anywhere - they have the right to set up where they wish. But that right might take the form of going to a different site, just as the Catholic Church decided to move the convent I mentioned.
You are all so cynical maybe he’s just there to sell gold and talk about it’s ‘values’
Okay, let me phrase this differently. Where could a the Park51 people build a mosque in Manhattan that you would not consider distasteful?
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Folks, there’s already two threads going about the “Ground Zero Mosque.” Let’s keep discussions about that in those threads, and leave this one to Glenn Beck’s political rally.
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Look, you might as well get used to it. You can’t fight re-branding.
Conservatives are the real feminists. Conservatives have always been the real feminists.
Conservatives are the real civil rights activists. Conservatives have always been the real civil rights activists.
Bad is good, down with government.
Err, helloooo ? Do you know history, like, at all ? up until the 50s, white people couldn’t go in black people’s restaurants, OK ? They couldn’t drink from the black’s fountains, they couldn’t go in black shops, and so on. Full separation. Even public buses ! Black guys were squatting the back rows and white were simply not allowed to sit there, period. Not until courageous white lady Rosa Parks took a stand. And then it took a white president and the frickin’ army until white children could go to the same school as black children. Even today, unification is not complete : white people still can’t say the word “nigger” in public, for fear of brutal retaliation by black supremacists.
I, for one, am glad Glenn Beck is striking against the co-opt of the civil rights movement by them darkies over the last few years and against their hateful racism.
And I’m glad he does it on a big MLK day. Yes, that Martin Luther King, and *that *speech :
Gee, who whispered that dream into your ear, Mr. King, LENIN ?! Who inspired STALIN who killed a BAJILLION people like the NAZIS ? I think it’s high time America strikes back against this Muslim terrorist who was out to control the world and usher One World Government and the New Order.
Russian indeed!
Rants are better posted in The BBQ Pit than in Great Debates.
May this thread have a happy life in its new home.
Could Beck be passing?