Of course you are. I bet you even agree with us about a lot of things and are just “concerned” that if we aren’t very careful in how we go about critiquing the Trump regime, we’ll lose credibility and people we might otherwise have recruited over to #OurSide will be turned off by our rhetoric. Not at a troll at all.
Just concerned.
Not a troll.
Concerned.
Not troll.
Concern troll.
Anyway, I’m surprised I didn’t have you on ignore already. You’ve been here, what, a day or two? Normally I’m quicker than that.
Realistically, there isn’t any video-format news that isn’t, more-or-less, propaganda for one party or another. You harm yourself more than you help yourself by paying attention to any of them.
I’d say to you or anyone that wants to know what’s really going on in the world that, regrettably, the only option is to look up business news (i.e. news for people who need the facts, in order to make good business decisions - not news for people who want news-as-entertainment/sportscasting) or at least the least political thing that you can find from a few different countries and wrap them together using something like feedly.com
Principally, I would recommend:
Financial Times
RAND Blog
Volokh Conspiracy
Defense One
Lawfare Media
Government Executive
Unfortunately, it’s hard to find English-language news from abroad that is very reliable but I also read through:
The Astana Times (newspaper of the President of Kazakhstan)
Buenos Aires Times
Baltic Times
The Hindu
swissinfo.ch
Caixin Global (likely connected to the government of China)
Middle East Eye (likely connected to the government of Qatar)
TASS (likely connected to the government of Russia)
VnExpress
Tech
Ars Technica
TechCrunch
There seems to be a way to add auto-translation, so that you’re not limited to English language, but I haven’t gotten around to figuring that out.
According to Pew Research, almost one in five of those describing themselves as Democrats or leaning Democratic are regular Fox News viewers.
There are such things, even in these times, as conservative and “moderate” Dems who either find Fox News trustworthy or want to see what their take on the news is.
Only about 56-57% of Republicans described themselves as regular Fox News viewers. The rest apparently prefer “non-legacy” media like Breitbart, Newsmax, Tucker Carlson and of course the impeccably accurate voices of their preferred social media accounts.
Then nothing will be lost by taking the recommendation. It will just be the same as you’re already getting.
While it may be that some sources are worse than others, that’s sort of like saying that some forms of yoga are less nonsense than others. It’s true, but none of them is a full fitness routine of cardio, weightlifting, and mobility practice. Least bad among poor is still poor.
That’s relatively true for anyone in a debate. You can’t go through the GD forum and find the person who’s perfectly scrupulous about their sources and reasoning around them, to the satisfaction of all other person ever.
There’s also the matter that someone can intend to be truthful but, for example, simply not know or have considered some things. A common approach by others is to accuse them of lying, rather than trusting that they’re just ignorant (or that they are, themselves, the ignorant person). That’s why there’s the “no accusations of lying” rule on GD, to encourage people to give others the benefit of the doubt and, and try to actually feel out the basis for their positions.
You see, it is hard for Charlie and crew when they were/are creationists, anti evolution, climate change deniers, in favor of the dismantling of government institutions like education, against releasing the Epstein files, etc.
Yes, no “you are a liar” accusations to kill discussion. Rather, “that is inaccurate and here is why” preferably followed by a reliable citation. Which hopefully allows discussion to continue.
Of course, sometimes people do lie on the SDMB, and have been proven to lie, but that’s why the Pit exists to put out those accusations. That shouldn’t be taking place in those other discussions.
In general, it’s hard to have a meaningful debate in a verbal format. True arguments about most complex subjects require evidentiary backing, and you’re just sitting there going over item after item of exhibits, chain of custody, etc. It would take hours per side.
That’s why, for example, I’ve suggested ditching the Presidential Debates and swapping them for the Presidential Powerpoint Presentations.
The latter is just a mechanism for the taller, louder person to ham it up on stage. Entertaining, but basically useless for the purpose of figuring out which person actually knows things, is relatively honest, and has a proper and complete plan for how to do things.
“According to a follow-up survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University’s PublicMind, NPR and Sunday morning political talk shows are the most informative news outlets, while exposure to partisan sources, such as Fox News and MSNBC, has a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge.”
[A “negative impact” means that people who watched the partisan sources actually had less correct current event information than those who didn’t watch the news at all.]
“We expect that watching the news should help people learn, but the most popular of the national media sources – Fox, CNN, MSNBC – seem to be the least informative."
It’s hard to tease out how much is cause and how much is effect, but … as I used to say quite often … it’s best to get your news the way you should be getting your nutrition: from as wide a variety of sources as possible and from as close to the source (ie, with as little processing) as possible.
Oh, I forgot about replying to this bit, in that thread there was a poster that did cite polls from early in the year, supporting that. But the problem with that is that even the youth are becoming more disappointed with Cheetolini nowadays.
It might also be worth pointing out that comedians are the worst possible source of news. They’re going for a joke, not honesty. If they’ve got an idea for a bit, and doing some research would destroy the bit, they’re not likely to do that research.
Comedians are also, often, people who are depressive and angry about life, seeing enemies and villainy everywhere. Comedy, 9 times out of 10, is a process of creating tiny horror stories that just slightly unnerve the audience. That nervousness is what produces the laugh.
A professional comedian is someone who’s thinking horrible, dark thoughts almost all of the time. They’re not the first person you want to go to for a straight-edged, boring answer.
The counter to that is that when the Republicans in power try to silence them, they resort to bigger lies and bigger dark thoughts to justify their cancellation.
