Good incels vs bad incels

There’s a thread in Cafe Society discussing the PUA phenomenon specifically.

As I have said there, when I got into that PUA stuff in the early days, at that time it was purely self-improvement advice. And, since there were many women and gay men doing the course, wasn’t focused on women but general attraction.

It could be that the movement became more toxic after I stopped following it. e.g. I never saw the VH-1 show. I’m skeptical though that women can be “bamboozled” into sex with manipulative words.