Gore is a FRAUD and a SORE LOSER

The BBQ Pit
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After watching the national news regarding the Palm Beach ballot, I can’t believe what the Gore campaign is saying. I can’t believe what they’re proposing to do. The result is right there, GORE LOST. Now they want to do what some 3rd world banana republic nominee does and fight the official result? What’s next? Calling the US army to go and kill Bush?

If the ballot was misleading it was misleading to all the people, not just people voting for Gore. Can’t those idiots see that? There cannot be a re-vote any more than I can purchase another ticket for last weeks lottery drawings.

Yeah, the lottery ticket boxes were unclear and misleading. I demand that I be allowed to purchase another lottery ticket for last weeks drawing and be allowed to mark the winning numbers.

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I will withhold an opinion on Gore until I see him say he’s going to drag this into court. I hear a lot of rapid and desperate Democrats saying all sorts of things, especially that Waxman fellow who really needs to chill out.

Maybe Gore will decide to be a statesman and be gracious in defeat. I can’t believe someone credited with the intelligence he supposedly has would pursue this after the absentee ballots come in. Would he really think he could grab the presidency by court fiat or a re-vote? I can’t see a court allowing that. Surely, he would know it would be a lost cause and only make him look petty and, as you say, the sorest of losers.

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Get a grip, Major. No matter how you slice it, the whole nation is befuddled by this mess. Of course Gore is upset; so is Bush and everyone else. What we have here is a definitive clusterfuck.

Involved, responsible citizens of all viewpoints are croggled by this trainwreck.

Shit but I’m tired of the knee-jerk attack impulse on both sides.

Oh, the irony…I just wanted the election over,
Veb

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I haven’t read all the election threads, so if this has been said before, I apologize.

If we have to go through the next four years listening to either party bitch and moan about this election, I won’t be responsible for my actions.

Haven’t figured out what my actions will be yet, but I won’t be responsible.

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From what I understand Gore isn’t taking anyone to court, the PEOPLE of Palm Beach are (Gore IS sending advisors and legal teams there).

I don’t agree with most of this, but I think Bush is appearing petty by threatening to ask Iowa and Wisconsin for recounts but ONLY if Gore wins Florida. There were anomolies in FL, and this is NOT an election for dog catcher. The stakes are high and we, as a country, need to treat them as such.

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Well, I remember a certain candidate for MD governer doing the same thing (and losing). Of course, that wasn’t nearly as close as this, and the allegations seemed much more tenuous.

WRONG!
Maybe you’d care to actually pay attention to the world. According to the photo released, Bush was the first name on the left, and the first hole in the middle. Gore was the second name on the left, but the third hole in the middle. So there would have been no confusion voting for Bush.

To be fair, it could also have been confusing to Buchanan voters–but:
a) there’s less of them then there are Gore voters, so any exchange would have been lopsided
b) if you weren’t being careful and meant to vote for Buchanan, Bush would have likely been the recipient of your vote, based on the layout. I’m not sure this happened (who really goes into the poll determined to vote for Buchanan as fast as possible?), but if it did, it would skew the results even more.

I could be wrong, but I don’t think that the lottery is a basic right outlined in the Constitution that determines the President of the country for the next 4 years…but maybe times have changed :rolleyes:

I say kill em all and let the FL board of elections sort em out :slight_smile:

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From what I’ve seen so far, the Democrats (not Gore himself, but some highly placed campaign officials) really need to shut the fuck up. The recount isn’t even over. Things are running their course, and speculation and plans for legal action at this point are just stupid and are making you guys look bad. Wait until the damn facts are in.

I’m not saying that Gore should concede or even that he did lose, or even that he should abide by the results of the recount. However, by giving indications of taking the fight further before this step is completed, his campaign seems focused on a goal of doing whatever it takes to win, rather than getting the most accurate and legal count. The message seems to be “Gore won, and we won’t stop until the facts agree with us.”

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This is a serious issue, and I think the Gore camp is demagoging when they need to be calming. Votes will be recounted, and won’t (at least, shouldn’t) change in the meantime.

And Myrr21, there’s no doubt whatsoever in my mind that Sauerbrey was robbed. She lost by 6,000 votes, and the last ballot boxes to come in were from Baltimore City, after the Democrats knew how many votes they needed to win.

I think challenging results is very fair; the true (non-ballot box-stuffing, non-dead people voting) will of the people should be made manifest. We should be extraordinarily careful to make sure we get this right. And both sides should tone things down, but Gore’s in particular.

I mean really, is this the largest injustice in American history, as Daley said? Not even close in my book. Seems to me he risked alienating 30-40% of his base with a comment like that.

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Exactly. Comments like the “injustice” one clearly seem indicative of the sort of “rush to judgement” that a prominent politician warned against recently. It’s especially ironic coming from Daley, whose father was no paragon of honesty in elections. Wouldn’t the massive voter fraud in Chicago in 1960 be an example of a similar injustice?

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There really is something wrong there. Buchanan got 3,000+ votes in a HIGHLY DEMOCRATIC county. Something obviously went wrong. The ballots also broke the law. The candidates are supposed to be listed in the order of the winners from the election for Governor. The first name to be listed (and the first hole) should have been GW Bush. The second name (and second hole) should have been for Al Gore. Gore was the second name on the left, but he was not the second hole, like the law says he should have been.

Republicans would be screaming about this just as much if it was this close. Don’t bring this holier-than-thou bullshit with me. If Gore was only up by 1,000 votes in the entire state and Bush was short 1,000 votes and someone like Browne had a strangely high amount because of the way the ballot was set up (kind of a hypothetical situation) then Republicans would be screaming fraud, etc. doing the same damn thing. So you can go fuck yourself untill you get a fucking clue and don’t think you’re better and all that shit.

You’d be one of the first “idiots” complaining about this shit if it had happened to Bush. Go fuck yourself you fucking hypocrite. Get informed before you make yourself look stupid again.

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Dignan–the Reform party apparently issued press releases before the election that Palm Beach was a stronghold, and they had plenty of new registrants. I believe that Buchanon got many more votes here than in the nearby counties in the 1996 primary. So his vote count was not “extremely high.” And the ballot is not necessarily illegal, as I show here you uninformed pissant.

And you look stupid, too.

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Make that “strangely high.”

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Johnson, the Reform Party issued that release after voter registration for that party increased by 110% in that county from '96. BUT there were only several hudnred Reform registrations in '96. 110% of several hundred, however, is still 600-700, which is not even close to 3400.

To top it all off Buchanan came out this morning and stated that he believes the vast majority of those votes were not meant for him.

Methinks it is you that needs to get informed before you go calling people pissants.

Don’t contribute to the hysteria.

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No one should be conceding anything at this point. Or until Nov. 17 for that matter, until all absentee ballots come in. It’s that close. Re-count the votes and re-count 'em again. It’s that close.

What’s troubling is the cat diahhrea being spewed by the Democrats down in Florida. Wanting to take extraordinary steps to get Gore elected. Wanting to do things that weren’t done and wouldn’t be done in other elections, just because it’s close.

Criticizing the “butterfly ballot,” even though both Jesse Jackson and Bill Daley have used it in their districts for years. Whining about 19,000 spoiled ballots in one county, when not a peep was made when more than 15,000 ballots were spoiled in the same county in 1996.

Threatening to take this fight to become president to the courts. Get the lawyers involved and see how that plays in middle America, you hopelessly misguided, Joni-Mitchell-playing dweebs.

I would assume that if Gore didn’t want his spin-meisters saying the things they are saying, he would stop them. So the stuff might just as well be coming out of his own mouth.

For all of the whiny-as-ever Democrats out there whose two liberal brain-cells, when rubbed rapidly together, can only come up with, “well, if this was happening to the Republicans, you would do the same thing!” – bullshit.

The Republican Party would do the honorable thing. If, following the legal, legitimate processes of this election, the vote turns to Gore (and it’s really close), you just watch what Bush does. He will do the honorable thing. If he doesn’t, I’ll start the Pit thread castigating him.

Clinton didn’t get it when he should have done the honorable thing, after being caught having sex with a young intern in the White House. Now his protege doesn’t seem to get it, either.

The Democratic Party believes in doing whatever is necessary and do-able, based on the “controlling legal authority.”

I think it’s great that in this country, any young child can grow up to become President of the United States, if he studies hard, works hard, gets a team of 100 lawyers, has his spin-control team try to stir things up before the final vote is even counted, brings in Jesse Jackson to play the race card, goes judge-shopping, and litigates it in protracted court battles for months.

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Johnson, Buchannan said he didn’t want votes that weren’t his. There are a hell of a lot of people saying that they made a mistake and a lot of people say that the ballot was confusing. Did you vote in that county? If you didn’t than you can’t fucking talk. I think it would be unfair to do a revote, at least for the entire state. How do you explain all the people that are saying they didn’t vote right? Even a 1/3 of those Buchannan votes going to Gore could put him over the top.

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I’m sick and tired of this shit.

What do you expect Gore to do when the race is this close? Seriously!?!?!?!

This isn’t some big conspiracy by the Democrats or the Republicans. So everyone shut your cakeholes!!!

Gore isn’t a whiner.

And I intensely dislike that motherfucker too!

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For everyone who thinks Pat Buchanan is on Gore’s side on this … I saw him on MSNBC about two minutes ago speaking very angrily about Gore’s people proposing to litigate this and turn this election and this country into a “banana republic.” Buchanan said the ballots were legal, the double-punched ballots were invalid, no fraud was committed and that’s that. And he said that Gore should accept the final official vote count, whatever it ends up being.

Accept or reject Buchanan’s statements as you will. But that sure the fuck didn’t sound like someone who wants to see the courts evaluating what the Palm Beach County mental defectives meant to do.

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Grendel69, gee, sorry for responding in kind to Dignan. And let’s top off your topping it all off–Buchanon has apparently now said that he wants all the votes that were cast for him. And even if that’s not accurate, is it all that difficult to believe that he might harbor such animosity for Bush (and family) that he likes stirring the pot? As I said earlier in another thread, almost all of what we’re hearing is second-hand. But if Buchanon had several thousand votes cast for him in the '96 primary, several thousand in 2000 is not abnormal.

And Dignan, one explanation for all those people saying they didn’t get their vote right is that their guy didn’t win. I bet if we polled Florida, we’d have just south of 2.9 million people saying they voted for Buchanon when they actually meant to vote for Gore.

And, I can fucking talk, and speak, about any issue I choose.

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Fuck that. You cannot honestly say that would happen. Bush is upset about all this recount stuff. If it’s this close it’s important to get it right.

To bring up the Clinton incident, which shouldn’t have ever come up in the first place, is bullshit. If Bush does win the presidency, because of that bullshit that the Republicans pulled with Clinton it’s going to drastically take away from any legitimacy the Bush presidency might have. Because . . . the Democrats that are bitter about it are going to keep bringing it up. We need to do the recount, find out what happened, etc. and then leave it at that. Like I said, don’t bring that fucking holier than thou bullshit. Same fucking thing would happen.

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johnson, my first post was in reply to the original post, so fuck you for responding to my first post when it wasn’t directed to you. See how fucking stupid that sounds? Look in the mirror.