Group therapy is a good idea in theory, not so much in practice

Over the years I’ve tried various forms of group therapy for things like mental health issues, being the family member of a dysfunctional family, al-anon, grief groups, etc.

On TV group therapy groups are presented as these healing groups run by a compassionate, intelligent, socially aware person who wants to help everyone share their story so we can all bond and grow.

In real life they are usually run by dysfunctional, self centered people who view a group as a way to monologue about themselves to a captive audience. Usually its run by people who are just as fucked up if not more fucked up than the other people in the meeting. People who have no sense of social awareness, who obsess over rules like an autistic person on adderall (yet who don’t seem to grasp that those rules actually say things like stay on topic, don’t dominate the conversation, etc. They just like to read line by line and then do the opposite of what the rules actually said to do) or who view a group as an opportunity to talk about themselves or lecture on unimportant platitudes or stupid tangents. Thats assuming the group leader even shows up, I’ve tried to join groups only to find the leader never showed up so we all had to go home.

Last night I went to one for people from dysfunctional families. Whenever one of the women in the group would try to talk about her problems, the leader would interrupt her to talk about something stupid and unrelated (floor tiles, her neighbors pool, idiotic stuff).

I went to one group, the leader spent a good chunk of time talking about an amish B&B that he said served excellent biscuits. How the fuck does that relate to mental health which was the purpose of that group?

I have been to various groups over the years (probably over a dozen), some I stayed with because they were good, but I have only known 2 groups that were any good. One was run by a volunteer, and the one was professional. The professional one was nice because we had to pay to go, and it was run by a trained psychologist who actually wanted to help people get better, not just force people to listen to him talk about his neighbors pool, or talk about himself for an hour. I’d be open to paying to join a group therapy group as long as it is run by a competent professional and not a screw up looking for a group of hostages to listen to them blabber on about irrelevant shit.

One of the best groups I ever did was one where we all wrote down our stories, and shared them. Why can’t more groups be like that? Why do they have to be run by dysfunctional, selfish people who view it as a chance to monologue to people who don’t give a fuck about their pointless stories. How hard is it for a group of traumatized, sad people to get together and share their stories?

For anyone who says ‘why don’t you start one’, because I don’t want to.

What’s the point of a group of traumatized, sad people to get together and share their stories? What do you hope to get out of that?

You feel less isolated and overwhelmed. And maybe other people have useful advice.

So you feel better because you hear other people have the same problems as you? Not criticizing, just asking because I don’t get it.

Humans are social creatures. When you feel other people have heard and empathize with your story, you feel less alone and overwhelmed. People have an innate need to be seen, heard and understood in a safe environment with people who wish them well. Also (if done properly) people can share ideas and brainstorm about what has helped them when they had the same problem.

AKA support groups? They’re not for everybody, but the right one for the right person can be very healing. I was given information about them when I got my cancer diagnosis, and while I had no desire to pursue this, somebody else might.

Conversely, I know a woman who was kicked out of a battered women’s support group because her presence was too upsetting to the other clients. :eek: This woman has been fired from multiple jobs over the years, asked to leave churches, kicked out of other social groups, etc. because she doesn’t want to talk about anything else.

She left her husband in 1972 I’d say that someone like that is a hopeless case.

By far the most useful form of group therapy is 100% user-run self-help support groups. You’d be amazed what happens when you ditch the professionals and it’s “just us” in here.

Fair enough. But there are billions of people on this planet. Does a person think that no one is in the same situation as them? Do people think that a few people in a group can offer helpful ideas that cannot be found online?

Yeah, thats what I mean. I think users just talking to each other is better than groups run by volunteer ‘professionals’ who are dysfunctional, selfish and looking for a captive audience to listen to their pointless monologues.

Do you know how tofind user run groups as opposed to the professional ones?

I did have a good experience with a professional run one, but that was run at college by a trained professional. Most of my other experiences have been bad (the other good one was a user run mental health group but it went to shit when the leader retired and someone else took over and used it to go into pointless monologues).

It might be different for me. I have all the characteristics of a human being: blood, flesh, skin, hair; but not a single, clear, identifiable emotion, except for greed and disgust. Something horrible is happening inside of me, and I don’t know why

If that’s the case, then seeing a professional seems like a better way ahead than random people in a group in the basement of a church.

Also, to be honest, your post seems like an exaggeration. You don’t find anyone or anything beautiful? You don’t find anything amusing? You don’t get sad when watching a sad movie? Just nothing at all?

When you’re in group therapy, something akin to Winston Churchill’s “Sum of All Fears” quote applies: *“You take the most gallant sailor, most intrepid airman and most audacious soldier and put them at a table together, and what do you get? The sum of their fears.”
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Similar with the group, you could have (in theory) everyone’s compassion, understanding, wisdom, experience and knowledge all in one room to help everyone - but sadly what often happens is you get the sum of everyone’s narcissism, OCD, bipolar-ness, anxiety, judgmentalism or manipulation instead.

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Do you have to return some video tapes?

If you are serious, you talk to a professional. This sounds like serious depression.

I would love to have a group of people who had shared experiences with me in terms of things like disability or autism. It wouldn’t even have to be a group, meeting for coffee would be great. There are a number of things that would be nice to discuss with someone who actually has a comparable type of life experience. It can be very isolating to have something huge in your life that no one else around you understands.

Not sure if he is serious or not, but he is definitely quoting American Psycho.

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And I was happy to read it!

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Sounds like a real life message board. Hmmm. Perhaps, a group therapy thread or sub forum might be fun here. I’d recommend not the Pit though.

No I’m not serious. That’s just a very quotable film.