The media sucks. Whoever decided to call FL, PA and MI to Gore so early are full of shit.
I’ll be back later to take any lumps I have coming my way.
Yeah Freedom, did you notice how they held off on obvious Bush states as VA and OH and several other southern states (“too close to call???”), while slapping a Gore sticker on FL within 10 minutes of the polls closing?
And how about that MO judge allowing polls to stay open in Democrat-heavy St. Louis, while the more Republican areas were shut down. What a crock! Luckily, the appellate panel saw through that one.
There seem to be forces about trying to assure a Gore victory by hook or by crook. There is no excuse to call a state unless there is no doubt. That FL thing was a debacle. Even if Gore ends up with it (not likely), it shouldn’t have been called so quickly.
divemaster I was led to believe that all state polling places were allowed to stay open, not just St. Louis. I don’t know why yet, so I’m witholding my opinions until I find more information.
Bush is leading FL by about 110,000 votes, but this is CNN.
Florida was called 50 minutes BEFORE the polls closed in the second time zone. That no doubt had the effect of causing many Floridians not to vote.
Does anyone know if those voters would have been predominantly Gore or Bush?
The fascinating thing here is that it’s quite possible that Florida will decide the next president, and if the vote there is close you could have the first President elected by a mistake in the media. Unless you’re a conspiracy buff, in which case the consulting firm that called the election could be guilty of election tampering.
I have no idea if an early call would have helped Bush or Gore.
Also Voter News Service (the exit pollers) didn’t want the networks to call Florida when they did!
No, it was just St. Louis. And the appellate court wouldn’t touch it. The reason they had to was because of the enormous demand for more time. The more rural areas (republican) could handle the votes. Doesn’t seem to matter much, as Bush locked it up.
Freedom2: W-RONG!!!
I seem to recall some brilliant political sage telling you you were crazy weeks ago. In fact, I’m pretty sure that same political sage had Bush winning with a scant 274 electoral votes in an IMHO thread months ago.
Not to toot my own horn, but … HONK!
Well, Oh Freedom, come and eat your “crow pie”, we have a side order of 'sour grapes" for you. But, since it is very likely that Bush has won, there is unlikely to be much opportunity for Gore bashing anyway.
Holy cow!!! I never thought I’d be pulling an all-nighter for this election. This whole thing looks like it will be decided by on the order of a few thousand votes in Florida! Sometimes, every vote does count.
Since we’re still counting votes at 4AM, you have automatically lost the bet. We’ve got a big helping of crow for you.
96% of the vote counted
Florida
Bush - 2,902,733
Gore - 2,902,509
Nader - 96,560
Buchanan - 17,318
Popular Vote
Gore - 47,123,818
Bush - 47,063,088
Nader - 2,546,089
Buchanan - 430,176
That’s pretty close.
Freedom2 said:
Consider yourself lumped.
I’d look up that post you made in another thread where you said that Bush would absolutely kill Gore, but pointing it out to you here should be enough.
I hereby consider myself:
Lumped, eating crow, eating sour grapes and chastised. I think gore is a swell fellow. I hereby resolve to never try and predict the future again. I will not bitch about gore until April 15th.
At least I can still complain about Hillary.
BTW…Thank you Ralph Nader.
And thank you Al Gore, for not getting enough people to want to vote for you…
The long debate on this thread notwithstanding, don’t you think this close race has a lot to do with the centering of the two parties?
It’s getting harder and harder to find differences between Republicans and Democrats. This is how America likes it, apparently. Witness Buchanan and Nader.
Boy… that’s some landslide that Bush got.
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[Edited by Gaudere on 11-08-2000 at 11:23 AM]
…but you may wish to reexamine the polls that you used to base your results on. You may be interested in this article 'grading the polls’ (second item). The one poll they listed that was particularly off turned out to be the Battleground poll. (Maybe they should reweight their party ID). Though they don’t include Rasmussen’s Portrait of America poll, I will.
That one was spectacularly wrong.
Bush 48.9
Gore 39.8
Browne 0.8
Buchanan 1.0
Nader 4.3
November 4-6
(Bush +8.1)
I’d question their methodology, very thoroughly. Unfortunately, that would skew RCP’s composite numbers substancially (PoA 30%/Battle 30%/Gallup 10%/ABC-WP 10%/Zogby 10%/IDB-TIPP[sup]*[/sup] 10%).
Hey Daniel, David, Chance, Connor, et. al., if you want some fun reading check out RCP’s prediction on the day before!
Some choice quotes:
Yes, they seriously predicted California for Bush!
[sub]Question: What does IDB-TIPP stand for?[/sub]