You realize that you are asking Trump supporters to examine a claim, follow a logical thought path, and form a judgement. I admire your optimism!
Oh, child, you just enjoy yanking chains, yeah? A little wooshing to brighten your day? No?
Otherwise, you are engaged in repeating a lie. You are lying. You are a liar.
Nearly a quarter of Democrats agree with Trump on that point; well not really since the data is misrepresented. Looking at the report instead of the editorial spin, only 39% of Democrats are at least somewhat confident the votes were accurately counted while 70% of Republicans thought they were. They story also if factually incorrect in stating that the question clearly shows “they believe between 3 million and 5 million people voted illegally in 2016.” The question in the poll is:
So a solid Democratic majority thinks we can’t count votes accurately in the US. Republicans have a big, but not quite majority, that think we count fine but the votes themselves are a problem. Cherry pick from the data and spin away.
IMO the big story is that there is crisis of confidence in our voting systems across both parties. But why should we let that get in the way of a little good old-fashioned tribalistic demonization to rally the faithful?
Question 8 on the poll was specifically about 3 to 5 million people voting illegally.
They’ve seen them. *They have seen these buses. *
It’s hilarious.
Oh holy fucking fuck. Fuck me. Just shoot me in the head. Trump supporters, the most bigliest delusional motherfuckers ever. Fuck.
But why should we let that get in the way of a little good old-fashioned tribalistic demonization to rally the faithful?
:rolleyes:
Well. OK, we got one. The Great California DMV Debacle, put that up on the board. California issues licenses/registrations to millions of illegal people, and then they spread out over the country and vote like crazy! (Did Il Douche say that most of the illegal votes were in California?)
Kinda like a mange-infested chihuahua wins the dog show, because nobody else showed up…
I’m trying to imagine how they think this would work. Millions of out of staters (or at least out of precinct) somehow register to vote using local addresses, and none of the people who actually live at those millions of addresses question the mail they receive in response to those registrations?
I am also curious about this. Does anyone here on the SDMB believe there was this amount of illegal voting? Or anywhere close? I sorta doubt any of our righty brethren would admit they believe that even if they actually do but… who knows?
Hi Channing !
Are you a moron? or a liar? or both? Please help us out here; we’re trying to understand right-wing “cognition.”
The right’s continued assault on the notion of truth in general is going to be one of the most corrosive aspects of the current political era.
The truth is that Republicans don’t care about facts. If it smears Democrats and raises fears about “the other” it gets repeated, retweeted, shared, liked, resent, forwarded, or more likely, all of the above. The I’m is to incite fear and loathing because that drives out turnout and that means more Republicans in office. Nothing else matters.
You’re assuming an intellectual curiosity that is not in evidence.
I feel bad saying that, because I know Trump supporters who are otherwise good people by any measure, but you cannot say they have reasoned themselves into parroting whatever their dipshit leader says.
Being uninformed doesn’t make me stupid or a liar. At least I don’t throw around ad-hominem attacks to make my point.
Yammering obvious nonsense most certainly is an indication of stupidity, and I’m not inclined to engage in Byzantine parsing as to whether or not doing so in willful and reckless disregard of truth constitutes lying.
Have there been any serious studies looking into how many illegals actually did vote in the election? I’m sure the number isn’t zero, but I’m genuinely curious what it might be.
Well, ever since they realized that they could use the voter fraud issue to suppress minority voters, they have instigated a number of investigations beating the bushes to find illegal voters and generally only come up with one or two examples most of which end up being honest mistakes rather than malicious intent. With so few examples and a analysis method that is intended to focus in on illegal votes rather than perform a comprehensive survey its going to be very difficult to get a population wide estimate. The best you can do is probably indicate an upper limit. Which is why these investigations tend to peter out quietly without broadcasting their results.
You’re right, that is the least.
Trump supporter charged with voter fraud.
Ex-GOP Official Who Accused Dems Of Voter Fraud Charged With Voter Fraud
It appears that by extrapolation, millions of Trump supporters and Republicans have committed voter fraud.