I call “fake news” on that video. A trump supporter using the word “extrapolate”. Come on.
Is that an apology? It doesn’t sound like an apology.
Here’s the thing, Chan, you were not uninformed, instead you were informed with false information, which you spread to us, and I suspect to others.
As for ad-hominem attacks, I’m studying to be a Republican President! 
Well, the Huffington Post would say that, wouldn’t they? 
Why are you calling it a lie? The onus is on the claimer - Trump - to provide evidence of the claim, but failure to do so does not mean that the claim itself is false. (Granted, Trump’s track record speaks volumes.) But if you claim that it is a lie, it’s now up to you to provide evidence to prove it and failure to do so lends credence to the claim.
A better way is to keep asking for the evidence. Much in as Dopers ask for cites. You’re far more likely to convince someone that way.
Compare
You: Trump lied about voter fraud.
Them: What evidence do you have to prove that?
You: Umm…
(No, that study doesn’t count as actual evidence.)
with
You: Trump claims evidence of massive voter fraud; what evidence did he use to prove that claim?
Them: Umm…
See?
You’re a fucking idiot. You said that anyone who registers for a drivers license gets registered to vote. Your statement is stupid as fuck: you are claiming that 16 and 17 year olds are being registered to vote, for one thing.
I actually can see how such misinformation with a grain of truth like this could spread, especially with a sort of a groupthink memory going on, the last time I went to my local not sure if DMV or some other thing called Driver’s Services to replace and renew my lost driver’s license that was about to expire, I had to fill out some sort of electronic questionnaire thing before I talked to a human being, and I’m almost certain it said something on there about voter registration. If California has something similar even if it was aimed at actual citizens, and obviously not illegal immigrants, I can see how a large group of people could have experienced a similar thing, misremembering the event and falling for a false story like this.
The only investigation that I know of goes back to Dornan vs Sanchez:
In this case, the leader lies, the followers back it up.
From the video: “(I’m) extrapolating, based on what I’ve seen, with my own eyes, busloads and busloads of people coming in…they came over from Massachusetts into New Hampshire.”
He’s lying, no question. These places are each roughly the size of Belgium, with far fewer people, NH having comparatively very few, and it is not possible to process that kind of fraud without everyone noticing. We really need only one person with a cell phone for evidence, but there isn’t any evidence. Because they made it up.
Being uninformed is as American as apple pie. I’m uninformed on many topics, but at least I know my areas of knowledge and areas of ignorance.
The problem is that you, despite your ignorance, parrot talking points — where did you get this one from? Sean Hannity? — and, because they fit your warped political model, assume they are true, however unlikely.
If you learn to question your sources and question your flawed models, then my harsh words will have helped you.
Will you? The next time you pick up a flawed fact from Limbaugh or Coulter or wherever you get your “information”, will you question it? Will you ask politely how it can be debunked?
I hope so. If not, I’ll continue to think of you as a moron, regardless of your clinical IQ score. And by repeating the lies of the right-wing liars, who all informed Americans understand to be liars, you make yourself into a liar also.
HTH.
Of course he’s lying. How does he know the local party organization didn’t find a cheaper charter bus across the state line? What about military family members? When I was a kid, the military member got to maintain his voting record, driver license, and vehicle registration in home or record or state of legal residence; however, the family members had to have local driver license and registered locally to vote.
Anyway, it’s not like I believe there was a bus at all, or even that the SOB being questioned was there himself.
Anyone who grew up in Chicago knows that voter fraud is a thing. And 99% of the time it benefits Democrats. Sorry if that triggers you, but it’s the truth.
Anyone who has absorbed any actual facts knows that scaring some people into thinking voter fraud is rampant is a thing. And 99% of the time it benefits Republicans. Sorry if that triggers you, but that’s the truth.
(Perhaps start with the SDMB multi-year, thousands-of-posts thread on this subject, notable for exchanges between Bricker, elucidator, and others, if you care to educate yourself).
A voter registration form came with my DMV renewal. That’s what reminded me of this.
However, the question, and the claim by Trump, is about illegal aliens voting. This investigation found a few cases of non-citizens voting. There was a woman in Texas who was prosecuted last year for voting fraudulently, and the Texas Republicans came down as hard as possible on her, because they thought it supported their story. She was a legal non-citizen, who apparently honestly thought she was allowed to register and vote. And she voted for Trump, according to her.
You write “she voted for Trump, according to her” as though you disbelieve.
I don’t see why. The woman is clearly stupid, to think she was entitled to vote. Stupid people vote for Trump. Quod Erat Demonstrandum
I didn’t mean to imply I didn’t believe her, I was just trying to separate what we can confirm from what we can’t. My first thought was to write “And she voted for Trump,” but then I thought this is the Dope after all, I better qualify it.
Sure, voter fraud is a bit of a running theme/joke in Chicago politics, but I sure as shit wouldn’t extrapolate it beyond our little metropolis here as to which party it favors. (And I don’t think it’s been an issue at all in my lifetime). Machine Democrats are a whole different thing, and I consider them quite separate from the national Democratic party.
I did not grow up in Chicago.
In the past, say 4 presidential election cycles* or so, how has it been a thing? What methods have been used? How was it caught? Was it proven? Have there been any criminal sanctions? Are there candidates who would not have won were it not for voter fraud?
I’m limiting this question to the past 20 years or so. 1 - because there have been changes to the ways that elections are administered. and 2 - because at a certain point, what may or may not have happened in 1930 is so far past as to be irrelevant. I’m calling a relevancy cut-off date on or around the millennium.
Exactly. I was born in '75, and I’m not sure I know anyone who actually thinks it was a real thing in their lifetime. (And I grew up in a conservative part of Chicago.)
Actually, live here and I believe our reputation is overblown. Maybe 50–60 years ago, but we’re no more corrupt than any big city. And your use of ‘triggers’ shows you too be possibly aggresivly uninformed.
Ehh… The nuttiness aside. If they are talking about millions of illegal voters being bussed around.
Um. Let’s say a bus holds ~50 people. For 1,000,000 people, you would need 20,000 buses. That’s something that might just get noticed by someone, somewhere, and some record or knowledge of this would exist.
So, bring it on. Let’s see that evidence of people being bused around to cast their illegal votes.