Yeah, Trump’s claims are idiotic. Really, truly, and without a doubt idiotic. Yet he won. So where does that leave the milions of people who voted for him? Even still, where does that leave the millions of people who still support him?
Idiocracy was a documentary.
Heck, never mind Trump. The GOP in general, from normal Republicans to wingnut FreedomTeaPartiers to deplorable Trumpetista space cases, has obtained commanding leads in Congress AND the Statehouses across the land. So what the heck is the obsession with that the wrong people are voting? What, you want a 432-3 majority in the House, 99-1 in the Senate, 50-state sweep of the Presidency and Governors, or else something’s wrong?
And you’d be asking each of those people to take a big legal risk for the sake of… one vote. You might be able to find a handful of people stupid enough to do that, but not on any kind of scale that could swing a national election. It would be like a counterfeiter producing false $1 bills. Not worth the risk for the value of that denomination.
But suppose it wasn’t a national election, but local contests you wanted to swing. Then you only have to persuade a few hundred morons to take the risk of deliberately committing in-person voter fraud. The trouble there becomes, which local contests are susceptible to being swung by just a few hundred votes? You’d have to carefully target where to bring your couple of buses. But again - it’s local! That’s going to be noticeable. And even if you succeed, way to go, you’ve elected a new county dog catcher.
Again, if you’re going to counterfeit, you make 50s and 100s, not ones. The whole in-person voter fraud on any kind of scale makes no sense.
The easiest way to rig an election isn’t via actual ballots, but via vote-counting.
Rather than bus in thousands of voters (all but impossible, as pointed out above,) you get one or more precinct officials to “agree” that the vote tally was/is different than what it actually is. Only need to let a few people in on the plan this way, rather than thousands.
Except you need to do it across thousands of precincts across the state. California has around 22,000.
It does make you wonder, when notably corrupt people feel the need to fix a nonexistent problem.
Sorry to imply otherwise. I adopted a pretense to smooth the segue into the comment I wanted to make.
This happens in Massachusetts, but if you decide to register, then they ask you QUESTIONS, the answers to which determine your ability to vote. I had to show my birth certificate when I got my first driver’s license, so that checks off the citizenship box (I was born in the US).
So yeah, it’s a convenience thing, not an automatic registration. As in, hey you are at this government building (that everyone hates to come to) for reason #1, would you like a 2nd reason to be here? We can also get you registered. Most of it was mundane, but they mailed a form to the address I claimed to live at, so they are at least checking up on things.
(On an unrelated note, if an undocumented immigrant could hold down a job, pay for a residence, not have a criminal record, and has a driver’s license, I have no problem with letting that person vote. My great-grandparents didn’t even meet these requirements, but they voted with gusto, and no one ever said peep about it.)
In fact, the last three times I’ve voted, I’ve been held up while the poll workers checked my registration twice, by two separate poll workers. This is in Massachusetts, California may be different, but I would doubt it.
Now that illegal aliens are getting drivers license, this is an open invitation to illegals voting.
This sounds like sworn evidence of fraudulent voting going back three generations.
This reminds me of another story which operates on exactly the same principle. Frank Dux (“dukes”) who is the man whose ridiculous story is the inspiration for the movie “Bloodsport”. He claims that over three days, he bested 56 opponents in single elimination. He either forgot that each time you add a round to competition, you must then double the number of participants. So Frank Dux claims he beat 56 men in a row. That many rounds requires 74,057,594,037,927,936 competitors for that claim to be true. Many times the entire human population of Earth.
So, phrasing his claim just right made it sound believable at first glance, but when you figure out the math, it’s laughably false.
I’m not personally triggered by “truths” that are born rectally. Slightly repulsed, maybe…
How is it more open with a drivers license than without one?
As many people have said, states with motor-voter type laws require that the person present evidence that they are eligible to vote. How will a person here illegally have this evidence at the DMV that they wouldn’t have had elsewhere? How are they openly invited in this situation?
Please explain how asking if you would like to register to vote magically provides you with citizenship so that you can register to vote.
Y’see, people should not even KNOW there is such a thing as registration. If you can’t bother to seek it out of your own initiative, maybe you are not sufficiently involved.
I am interested in the mental mechanics here. I about half figured that there was an accepted scenario amongst the alt-cognitive, some set of actions. Shirley someone amongst them must have given this some thought, however fleeting? So I figured maybe its my bubble, maybe they do have one, or even several, that I never heard about.
Well, if that’s true, says I, then making an opening like this will bring it forward, so I can at least ponder it. No such luck. And so it went.
You only actually need one bus (Just have to make 20,000 trips.)
I’m glad to know I’m not the only poster who has all of his posts reduced to affidavit form!
Do you think it’s a problem that my wife is the one who notarizes the signature on the hard copy? I figure the chance she would need to testify about it was low, but now you have me worried…
Care to explain exactly how that would work? Be sure to explain how all the various government entities involved would have to completely abandon their duties.
Or, better yet, admit your comment is just more conspiracy theorist nonsense.
We do know that some illegal aliens voted, because they were caught,
How wide spread, who knows, we don’t have good data and the data we do have is on such a small scale it’s almost worthless.
From https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Testimony-of-Hans-von-Spakovsky-2-12-15.pdf
“In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens”
If you expand that number to the last presidential election, about 139 million votes *.03 that would give you over 4 million. But again that number could be 0 to over 4 million. So a lot of fuzzy math and you get “MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS VOTED” and “THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF VOTER FRAUD” take your pick.
Now we had 8 state with less than a 3% win, Michigan, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, Minnesota, Nevada, Maine. That percentage, if true, could change the outcome of elections. So it should be a concern.
What to do? First find out how big or small the problem really is.
Your first link is to one (1) incident from 2012. Your second is to a pile of self-serving, cherry-picked, misleading Spakovsky alarmism.
C-. Please try harder next time.
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