Trump’s “updated” maps show the storm will miss anywhere he wants to go and only go places that will affect Democrats, so he’ll be fine.
I agree, it’s off-putting. Like seeing Rick Astley sing for the first time.
Right now I’m fine with Walz or Kelly, but I still think Whitmer would have been better than any of these finalists. When it comes down to it, though, it doesn’t matter a whole hell of a lot. When the announcement comes, it’ll be like the conclusion of a parlor game rather than something exciting on its own.
The one person I’ve heard who was gunning for Beshear is Beau of the Fifth Column. He likes him because he’s really good at getting momentum going against Vance in more rural communities. He’s the one who started the whole thing about him being a fake, with the memes that got him.
He said he’d normally go for Kelly, because he checks all the boxes. But he suspects that this momentum would help her more.
That said, that was a little while ago, and a whole lot of people are tearing into Vance now. So maybe that advantage goes away. Or he could be the guy on the outside, like some of you guys have said Buttigieg is doing.
Yeh. I’m wondering if she might not announce that she has narrowed it down to 2 candidates, and let them be debated for a week. Emphasizes the strength of the Dem “bench.” Potential downside, can be viewed as dithering.
These days, I’m not sure there IS such a thing as TOO political. Send Harris AND the 6 contenders down, picking locations and message carefully. (No knowledge of the potential hazards and timeline you suggest, tho.) But she ought to aggressively exploit EVERY opportunity that appears - where natural or manmade.
It’s been said over and over and over that she will appear with the choice at the rally tomorrow night. I think that she should have announced already. News is about to be dominated by the stock market meltdown.
The Ohio deadline is Wednesday. There is no time for any of the silly reality show gimmicks some people are proposing.
Just found this thread, so I have a lot of reading to do. That being said, I’m still going to put in my 2 cents (at the risk of this opinion already being voiced):
Yes, the bigots are already going to vote for Trump, but having a (gasp!) gay man running will pull the crazies out of the woodwork. It would (unfortunately) increase voter turnout in the religious right. My concern isn’t that he would shift voters from Harris to Trump, but that people who weren’t going to vote will show up to keep the homosexual agenda out of the white house.
I love Buttigeig; I love what I’ve heard him say; I love how I’ve heard him say it. In the interviews I’ve seen, he speaks well, he has a great grasp of the issues he’s talking about, and he does a great job improvising. In a perfect world, I would love to see him as President. Unfortunately, I don’t think the homophobes in America would let that happen.
Pete is out of the running.
The only people who got final interviews were Walz, Kelly and Shapiro.
The Ohio deadline was fulfilled this past Friday when Harris locked up a sufficient number of Democratic delegates. Between Biden stepping down and this past Friday 8/2, Harris was the presumptive nominee.
I willing to consider information otherwise, but my understanding is that the Vice-Presidential nomination is of no import to the Ohio deadline.
Is that official, or were they just the 3 yesterday?
It is possible Buttigieg was already interviewed as he is a cabinet member. Not that I like the idea of him being the VP nom. I still think he has negatives for the ticket.
The original deadline was tomorrow. They moved it to Sept 1st. Moving it has been standard over the last few elections to accommodate both parties. The Dems are rightly afraid of GOP fuckery so they need to stick with the original deadline.
I recall reading that the whole slate needs to be announced but it’s a moot point. We’ll know by tomorrow night.
There were six being strongly vetted. Only those three made it to the next stage of a personal interview.
Of course, she could choose anyone including you.
Unless Ohio voters are expected to write in their choice for VP it does.
While the DNC has said that option is possible, the vice presidential candidate does not have to be nominated at the same time as the presidential nominee. Harris must pick a running mate by Aug. 7 to comply with Ohio’s current ballot deadline, which remains in effect.
(my emphasis)
You’re correct and I was mistaken per Ohio Revised Code Section 3505.10(B)(1).
Also according to that same cite, Ohio’s Sectretary of State has complete discretion to alternatively certify candidates after deadline at the stroke of a pen. But … yeah.
How I would rank the remaining 6:
- Shapiro: To the extent VP choices matter, they give a small a boost to their home state. You have a popular governor in the most critical state in this election. Don’t overthink this.
- Walz: The do no harm pick. Seems like he would be a good messenger, but his electoral performance is less impressive than the others and not really in a swing state.
- Kelly: Kelly has the biggest cost of these options, as you lose two years of a guaranteed senator and possibly lower your shot at future elections. That still may be worth it, but Arizona despite being a swing state is unlikely to make the difference, and Keely strikes me as a less effective communicator then some of the others.
- Beshear: He actually has the most impressive electoral performances, but some of that was local name recognition that I’m not sure translates nationally. Haven’t been overly impressived by clips of him speaking,
- Buttigieg: Not sure what you gain by having him VP instead of just a spokesperson for the campaign. I’m not really worried about the gay thing, but he doesn’t have much of a constituency.
- Pritzker: Don’t see the appeal
Not that the DNC is pulling levers or anything … but if forward-thinking Dems had their druthers, they’d prefer to have Beshear available to run for Mitch McConnell’s Senate seat in 2026. Of course, in the end it’s up to Beshear and Harris’ campaign.
In my view, the only relevant question is: does he help the Harris ticket? Because Trump simply cannot be allowed to win this election. Things like maintaining control of the Senate, as important as they are, pale in comparison to that.
As for the timing of the announcement which has been the subject of so much speculation, we’re pretty much down to today or tomorrow. My hunch ever since I heard about the interview plans for this past weekend were that the weekend was going to be spent interviewing the short-listed candidates (probably just the three named) and today, Monday, would be a day of deliberation and final huddling with advisors. There might be an announcement late today but I suspect not until the event tomorrow. Just my WAG.
Meh, I don’t want Shapiro but his speaking style doesn’t bother me. I don’t actually see much Obama resemblance except he starts a lot of responses with “Look, …” and tends to drop his g’s on “…ing” words.
Just my two cents, but we will see a decision today.
Also, IMO, if it isn’t Mike Kelly, it will be a big mistake. They all are fully capable, but Shapiro carries baggage of his heritage. It could motivate more people who weren’t going to vote to vote for Trump than Harris, simply because those folks don’t want a Hamas-loving liberal in the WH.
Walz is fine, but not enough pizazz. Yes, he’s well-liked and helps solidify the Northern tier, all that is great. I think he would do a great job (as would all those mentioned). Would help the campaign immensely. But, compared to Kelly, he doesn’t do it as well.
Mike Kelly. A fighter pilot, an astronaut, and a Senator. From a rural state as well. About the worse thing you can say is because his wife was shot by an idiot with a gun (like Trump), he’s going to take up all the guns. Well, he can get out in front of that. <OK, I’ll not go into a gun rant> My point is that Kelly is a shining figure that may get some undecideds to vote Democratic, but will not drive Evangelicals, Good ol’ Boys, or just plain-old folks to the polls to vote for Trump.
Mark Kelly, not Mike.
I heard Walz interviewed on NPR for a whole hour yesterday and he impressed me. He’s the one who dug out the word “weird” and made it stick. Don’t know how you get better at communicating than that.