In terms of Red’s claim, I’m assuming he did so to
a. Focus our attention on him yesterDay and possibly toDay over other things, and
b. So everyone piled their votes on him, ruining any useful vote record from yesterDay’s voting record.
OK, this clarifies things. We’re clearly using the word ‘color’ differently. It was my understanding that color was just the words mods use to talk about the game so it’s more interesting for us. In this game, we’re in HP universe rather than a boring ol’ town with some gangstas.
Hoo, boy, this game just gets crazier and crazier.
Some thoughts:
Voldemort had leader and occlumens listed. Two separate powers, maybe?
How many power roles do you suppose we’ve got? I think it’ll be funny if we get to the stage of mass claiming, and everyone truthfully claims vanilla because we unerringly kill everyone interesting.
Pedescribe’s vote back in 296 pings the hell out of me still. Red’s vote against him may have been to provide a bit of cover, since Red knew he was on the way out.
I really wish tiltawhirl had been more active. My original gut feeling was that Red reacted because a scum had been poked, which is still plausible, but tiltawhirl himself didn’t say anything to ping me either way. Chronos, feel like claiming scum?
I think that tilt is just a quiet player in general. And whatever her reasons, I know for sure that it wasn’t because of being Scum this game. Which, of course, is oh-so-useful, isn’t it?
OK, time to play. I don’t have anything obvious to go on, so I’m going to review someone, namely storyteller. Here’s are his posts - I don’t think I missed any: Post 286- in which he apologizes for being absent and does an catch-up info dump Post 304 - in which he chastizes the people complaining about the lack of play and banters with Skeezix about playing non-Town roles. The most notable thing for me here is that he is “fairly confident” Skeezix is telling the truth (about being 3rd party). Post 305 - in which he asks me some questions about my earlier analysis implicating Skeezix, and (relatedly) telling Guiri that we should review earlier scenarios that assumed/posited Skeezix was scum. Also votes for Skeezix here. Post 327 - Responds to Meeko’s “bomb” theory Post 328 - In which he advises us to include recruitment in our scenarios, since Mahaloth did not rule it out.
Three things strike me about these posts - first, there’s not a lot of them, but that’s a null tell at the moment; second, they seem surprisingly tentative to me from story, particularly 286; and third, the way he subtly reinforces the idea that Skeezix’s claim is true in several posts. A suspicious person might think that a scummy storyteller was hoping that maybe the group would be inclined to spare a third party Skeezix, but of course he didn’t want to come out and say that or lead a movement to that effect. I don’t think my suspicions are enough to warrant a vote at this moment, but I’m going to watch him closely, and also, for the record:
That doesn’t seem like a good percentage play, Shadow. I mean, it was pretty clear there was no value to Red’s claim since he had an exclusive-from-town win, and town is only wise to keep pet SKs if they can win with the town. Therefore he was gonna swing no matter what yesterday, and therefore I’m not really convinced that any of his defenders are scum trying to play games.
I’m not saying don’t be suspicious of story, I’m saying there’s very little reason for a scum **story **to have done what you allege, and frankly I expect better from him.
Yeah, I was inclined to believe Red’s claim, too, though of course I don’t have any posts to that effect. It just seemed to make more sense if it were true (or at least, it made less sense if false, since it doesn’t really make much sense either way). Further, if his claim had turned out to be true, then it would make sense to review the pre-claim case against him, and those leading it, since the case wouldn’t have applied to a non-Scum-aligned serial killer, and a bunch of people voting on a bogus reason is always something worth looking at. So there was a good, pro-Town reason to come out and say one believed the claim, so that discussion could be started.
Which was the odd part? Looking up the claimed character in wikipedia and noticing that the character is aligned with the death eaters? Or responding to Story’s question about whether and why scum would false-claim 3rd party? If the former, the color has been a useful source of information in the few games I’ve played where color figured prominently. If every player had honestly claimed during a name claim, the game would have been broken. If you think responding to a question asked by another player is odd, I’m not sure how to reply.
“Sideways” just means strange, not necessarily bad, right? New players subbing in is good for Town, inactive players are replaced by participating ones who post, vote and allow us to get a read on them, and we avoid the whole LtL discussion and voting.
I think we’re doing quite well. It hurts to lose a cop and a (half?) Doc but we have nabbed 2 scum and another potential threat has been eliminated while we’ve lost just 3 Townies.
Yeah, I hear you, but go back and read the sequence. It may seem like a foregone conclusion NOW that Red would swing, and it certainly became foregone pretty quickly, but it wasn’t always guaranteed.
Something else I re-noticed when looking back at yesterDay was this absolutely ridiculous post by pedescribe, which came after Skeezix had grabbed 4 votes.
Seriously, WTF is up with this post and this vote? “I wish I was scum”? “Why isn’t anyone voting for me”??? (paraphrase) Voting for Rysto for… no discernible reason? Not a single comment on the Skeezix situation which was hot and heavy?
Now, this is enough to garner a vote from me. Care to explain yourself, pedescribe?
It seems like I have taken the place of someone who was being all suspicious so I, through no fault of my own, am now looking incredibly suspicious. I’m not sure how to combat someone else seeming scummy. I’m, er, not. I assure you. Then again, anyone would say that.
I was suspicious of Rysto too but obviously I was wrong. Other than that, what with all the subbing and everything I’m going to have to go over the last eight pages and the voting and cross reference everyone and… rrgh.
I just came across this on a reread and I have a question. I understand how with the death of Harry Potter, Voldemort becomes a vanilla scum. What I don’t understand is how that makes him the most expendable. Wouldn’t it make him just as expendable as any other vanilla scum? Or do you know something about the scum team makeup that you’re not telling?
Wikipedia tells me that there are other roles scum might get. If the rest of the scum have special powers/roles, then if the Godfather’s win condition is gone (if it was killing The Boy Who Lived, for example, though it doesn’t say so in his death text or in Harry’s) he’s logical to kill because he’s just vanilla scum. What if the other scum AREN’T vanilla?
But KNOWING they aren’t vanilla scum is interesting. We’ve had one so far: Omi aka Dolohov. That indicates the possibility that there could be more, but it seems like there have been a few special roles out there. Red was a godfather. Drain Bead could read minds and was the Chosen One, for as much good as that did him. Normal could switch sides. Moody (cough) was vanilla town, but there seem to be a LOT of specials out there. I’m willing to bet there’s someone on scumside who can read minds since their aim has been damn good.
I assume there’s still fewer Mafia than town, which means there might be another vanilla one but there’s probably at least one more special one. To prevent the special one from getting ganked, it WOULD be sensible to sacrifice someone else and try to gank someone useful overnight.
Which they did: Rysto. I still feel bad about you.
It also means that we can and should suspect people who voted for Red – if this was a calculated gambit from the scum, I’m willing to bet that one of those weaselly little bastards really IS Fenrir and lent his PM to Red. Probably they altered it a bit since Red looked like Luna, though.
Well, at the very least, tied for most expendable, unless there’s some Scum role that’s handicapped in some way (which is uncommon). It’s my impression that around here, games structured around some canon generally have all of the Scum roles distinct, with (say) one Godfather, one Scum Roleblocker, one Scum Investigator, and one vanilla Scum. And I’m pretty sure that all of the games Mahaloth has moderated have had diverse Scum teams.
Quoth Little Plastic Ninja:
I’m not sure what of value we can get from this. Is there someone in this game named Fenrir Greyback? Maybe, but it’s not like we’re going to get a counterclaim on that one. Did Red copy his role PM from a member of his team who’s the real Fenrir? No, because the role PM Red posted is for a third-party role, not a Scum. If there really is a Fenrir in this game, and he’s really a Scum, then the real role PM he got must have been substantially different from the one Red posted, at which point I don’t see how it matters that the name is the same.
On another note, let me just say that I really don’t like dead players substituting back into a game, since it just confuses things for everyone.
On yet another note, I understand players needing to be subbed out, but I can’t stand when TONS of them drop out. I’ve had two people in this game just PM me and say, “Hey, it’s been great. I quit.”
:rolleyes:
Chronos, I don’t have endless subs, so a dead vanilla who is unspoiled is the next best option.
It’s certainly possible that they have an investigator but I’m not so sure. There’s no way Drain Bead was anything other than a lucky shot unless you want to postulate the existence of a scum day investigator which is ridiculously powerful, it would seem to me. And I think that the scum screwed up with killing Normal Phase since she could have joined their side and who’s against gaining more people? I’ll give you Rysto, though. His death hurt.
Other than that, what with all the subbing and everything I’m going to have to go over the last eight pages and the voting and cross reference everyone and… rrgh.