I am not at all decided about the best target for today. I certainly don’t want a runaway train on anyone yet, so I am going to even things up until I come to a decision
vote Hardly
I believe that actually makes it 4-3, not even, unless I am miscounting.
As usual on Thursdays, I have a morning meeting that is likely to keep me away until after the Day ends. I believe we have two people who have not voted - as far as I am concerned, there is no excuse for not voting at this stage of the game. Get your votes (and reasons!) in, please.
I know it’s not a tie, but it keeps things close enough that we still have to choose as town who goes, rather than it just running away from us.
**Vote Count:
Hardly(3): Meeko, Zeriel, OneandOnly
Zeriel(4): Chipacabra, Jimmy, ShadowFacts, Guiri
Little less than 3 hours left in this Day.**
I liked what Chipacabra did (and I think it’ll be useful, if I’m still alive in a couple days), so I’m going to copy him.
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Me. I’m not going to justify any of my actions or inactions here. I know I’m town, so … If you have a problem, speak up – or mull over your suspicions in silence – whatever suits your fancy. [I’m so helpful, aren’t I?]
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ShadowFacts.
WoW featuring posts I find significant, or that might be so in the future (posts not included are Null tells [to me, of course]) and comments.133- Didn’t comment on Chip’s prodding vote. Innocuous comments. Null.
144- Calls out Red’s ‘editing error.’ This early in the game, I’m inclined to think town.
152-Insinuates that Red was deliberately mis-representing Chipacabra’s reasoning. Votes for **Red. **Awfully early for a bussing, if Shadow is also scum. Town.
213- Is suspicious of Omi, but doesn’t change his vote. Null
219- Isn’t fond of the Omi pile-on, but doesn’t really care if she gets lynched. Null.
284- 2nd vote on Red. Null.
330- Argues against doing anything with Red’s claim. Null.
385- FOS Storyteller. Null. (Though his lack of vote is slightly odd considering how easily he voted for Red, on Day 1. Perhaps that was just because it was Day 1).
390- Votes pede (to force explanation/accountability mostly, I suspect). First vote of the day, so Null.
410- Questions Chronos’ suppos’d PIS. Good time to jump on the bandwagon if he were scum. Town.
459- Justifies his vote for pede/LPN. We know LPN was vanilla town, so pede was just being silly, as far as I can tell. Null.
479- Thinks Chronos is going to flip town. Completely Null at this point in the Day.
518- “Spotlight” on OAOW, finding him slightly scummy but only on 1/3 Days. Null.
539/540- “Spotlight” on Zeriel. Null. Over all, ShadowFacts has been a moderate poster (quantity-wise), but his analyses and votes are firm (even if I don’t agree with all of them) and I don’t see any mischaracterization of others nor opportunistic votes. If you’re scum, Shadow, you’re playing a very good game indeed. -
One and Only Wanderers
Same kind of WoW:[spoiler]174- Asking a clarifying question. Assumes Chip meant Red’s team was scum (possible PIS, but more likely just a valid assumption). Null.
214/215- Vote for Omi with reasoning consistent with others (adding nothing new). I said before that this vote didn’t sit well with me, and it still doesn’t. However, this is much more a gut reaction than anything I can qualify, so: Null.*
220- Happy to be accountable if Omi flips town. Null, I suppose.
221- OAOW will be happy “especially if Omi flips scum.” Given the reasons for Omi’s vote on Chip if OAOW is scum, he shouldn’t be happy. He’s also saying this when it looks like **Omi *is going to be lynched. Of course, he wouldn’t say anything other than that, but he could’ve said nothing. Slightly town.
289- Vote for Red. Null.
419- Vote for Chronos. Weak vote, IMO, but given how many others are doing the same. Null.
466- Before, this post made me think town. My reaction to this was mostly because the post is defensive of another player which is something I think scum wouldn’t do unless that other player is also scum. In thinking this over more, though, null.
520/521- Vote for Meeko. Reasonable enough, though it feels a little like he’s just piggy-backing on Zeriel. Null. (thoughts, ShadowFacts?)
561- Vote for me. I’m assuming this means his gut feeling is that Zeriel is more townie than me. I, too, don’t like the sudden run on Zeriel. Good vote, if he’s scum, though. Null.
*[@Shadow, mostly]I don’t want to attribute scum motivations for light posts like this; they’re simply unhelpful and don’t add anything. That said, if nothing else comes to light, lynching the less helpful players is best (and I’d put myself on this list, as well).[/spoiler]OAOW, in my opinion, is not being very helpful to the town. But, by the same token, he’s done nothing overtly scummy and he helped gather momentum for the Omi vote (and to a lesser extent, Red’s vote).
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Jimmy
WoW (again, featuring posts I think are/will be helpful to me):158- Disagrees with Shadow, defends Skeezix. This could be construed as scum helping scum however I felt the same way as Jimmy, so Null. I’d say town for the fact that if Red flips scum (as he did) Jimmy would look guilty and no scum would do this. But this is early in the game, well before there is a risk of Red being lynched.
206- Votes for Omi and does a better job of explaining his vote than Drain Bead. Town.
298- Scorn for pede. Given that scum like mayhem, I’m inclined to think slightly town.
461- Votes for ShadowFacts, not liking his analysis on pede/LPN. I still don’t like this vote; I think that ShadowFacts’ case is solid and has some merit, even if I don’t agree. I’m thinking now, though, (given Jimmy’s critiques of me today) that he felt like he needed to vote for someone and didn’t want to hop on the Chronos train. This coupled with the fact that he could’ve gotten on said train early leads me to Null.
537- Votes Zeriel. Null.Jimmy is town to neutral to me, right now. I have agreed with his logic throughout the game and all but the one vote (for Shadow) feel solid to me. -
Chipacabra
Woo! On a roll, now:114- Prodding vote for Shadow. Not really helpful, as I see, but certainly not scummy. Null, as are all other prodding votes, at this point in the game.
165- Vote for Red. Seems solid enough to me. Null.
168- Quite an act he’s pulling, if both he and Red are both scum. Not to mention if they were both scum, I presume Omi would’ve found someone else to vote for. Town.
209- Fluff, justifications and thoughts. Null.
288- Vote Red. ‘Gut’ justification. Null.
445- Vote Chronos. Only cites his Day 1 suspicions (in light of Red’s alliance). Kind of a weak vote, but with everyone on the bandwagon, Null.Based purely on the events in Day 1 and the reveal of **Red **and Omi I am fairly confident that Chipacabra is town. Based solely on his posts, he would be in the same category as OAOW. That is, neither helping nor hindering town. -
Inner Stickler 110- Advocates his dislikes lurking (amongst other things). Null
306- Votes Red (after claim), so especially null.
310- Is Red a bomb? Null.
377- Stay optimistic. Null.
395- ‘catches’ Chronos. Given Chronos’ alignment, this is a null tell at best.
408- Votes for Chronos. He’s given Chronos a chance to explain and his case is as solid as anything at this point. Null.
Based on the above, Inner Stickler is extremely neutral. He hasn’t participated that much (ironic considering his feelings in 110). He started the argument against Chronos. I waver between over-eager town and clever scum, in this situation.
I stated before that the way he started the ball rolling with Chronos and kind of let others run with it and subsequently voting later, did not sit well with me. Also like I said before, this “he baited everyone!” is very much a gut feeling, however, and I don’t feel comfortable voting solely on this. -
Zeriel 223- Votes for Omi. Same vote justification as everyone else and given the likelihood of an Omi lynch at this point I think a scummy Zeriel would not bus him as the 6th voter. IOW, I agree with Zeriel’s posts today about scum behavior. Null
309- Votes for Red. Null, like every other vote on Day 3 for Red.
386- Like OAOW’s post 466, this a defensive post towards another player (a player we “know” is town) that I think would be difficult for a scum to write. Am I wrong? Slightly town.
418- Votes Chronos. Rather a lazy vote. My impression is that he’s scum going for the easy play or trusting the rest of the townies not to lead him astray. Slightly scummy.
429- Mason strategy argument with Story. If scum, he’s fishing for the other role. Given both the obviousness of this, and the strangeness of Story’s claim, this is Null for me. Strategy disagreements in general should be nulls, I think.
517- Votes for Meeko. At this point in the game, the reasoning for this vote is as sound as anything. Null.
547- Votes for me. He says “purely defensively,” but it is implied that it is because I’ve been lurking. Zeriel, assuming vanilla town, should be voting for who he thinks is most scummy and *not *just to save his own behind. If he’s non vanilla town, he should have said something by now. So while he justifies his vote against me, he does not explain why he does so over another lurker, which he should have. Slightly scummy. I said above that Zeriel is coming across as fairly neutral to me. On reread, this is remains the case up until his vote for me. I see no reason for a (vanilla) townie to make a defensive vote like this. Unless he suspects me to be scum (which he does sort of allude to, but not over another lurker) as a townie he should go down for the team. I don’t want to vote for him just for this especially given that this involves me and as such could be coloring my reasoning.
Zeriel also fits in with **OAOW **and Inner Stickler. -
Guiri
Whew, almost done. WoW:176- Slight arguing with Chipa about flinching. Personally, I agree, but this is a null.
216- Votes for Omi. Solid reasoning (same as everyone else’s). Null.
292- Helpful post. Null
303- Votes Red. I was looking forward to the re-review. Oh well. Null.
388- Another helpful post. Null.
435- Votes for Chronos, same reasoning as everyone else.
522- WoW on Meeko with comments and questions. Doesn’t follow his previous pattern of voting at this point of a pile-on. Null.
544- WoW on Zeriel.Overall, Guiri is neutral. On re-read of just his posts, he appears to be doing more than he actually is by taking observations and analyses of others and fleshing them out. This is not a bad thing; they are useful. The only reason I bring it up is that I hadn’t noticed it just reading along and my general impression of Guiri was higher than it should’ve been. (Sorry if this seems like I’m slighting you, Guiri, I suppose I am, but I want others to be aware if they also hadn’t noticed.)
9. **Storyteller** [spoiler]Gone Day 1
286- shares his thoughts and impressions. Null
305- Obvious (am I great at hindsight, or what?) vote for Red. Null
424- Votes for Chronos. Weak case, like everyone else’s, in my opinion. Given Story’s virtually confirmed status, I’m going to have to break my promise to Chronos about looking hard at Story. [/spoiler]Like everyone else, I find Storyteller’s timing for his claim to be bizarre and with the lack of counter-claim feel he is town.
I should mention that I had formed notions about the alliance of most players before writing all the above and I’m sure it is affecting my rationale. I tried to be as objective as possible, but as I was writing the comments, it was difficult for me. That said, everyone knows this as I’m sure they do the same thing so I’m not entirely sure what the point of the last two sentences were. Or that one.
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So, by my reckoning, **Storyteller, ShadowFacts, Chipacabra, **and Jimmy are town.
**Guiri is very neutral to me, and Zeriel, OAOW, **and Inner Stickler are neutral bordering on anti-town or scummy behaviors.
Given that
a) Of those the three, the majority of voters are vying for a **Zeriel **lynch, and
b) he’s the only one out of all 8 other players I actually noted for scummy behavior, and
c) “If it is a tie….well, there is a plan in place for that, but I would not worry about it yet. Tie if you want to, but don’t whine about it if you don’t like what happens.” ← Maha, post 2.
I must
Vote Zeriel
What did you mean by this? I don’t understand.
Apologies for the massive post, to those of you who actually read through everything. Further apologies for the late vote - this took waaaaaaay longer than I thought it would.
how many more scum do we think we are shooting for?
All of them!
Seriously, 2 seems most likely, but this game is plenty weird.
vote HardlySanguine
Well, no, you’re not. “I’m not going to justify any of my actions or inactions here?” Well, OK then. I guess that settles that! What are we to do with you, then, for the rest of the game? Just kind of let you do what you want and never question it or you? Because you’re disinclined to offer a defense or explanation? This is a really strange post.
Wall of words snipped. This is a conclusion with which I actually agree - I lean strongly Town on Shadow.
<lots of snipping in the above> “I, too, don’t like the sudden run on Zeriel.” OK. Noted. I’ll keep that in mind for a few minutes.
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Inner Stickler 110- Advocates his dislikes lurking (amongst other things). Null
306- Votes Red (after claim), so especially null.
310- Is Red a bomb? Null.
377- Stay optimistic. Null.
395- ‘catches’ Chronos. Given Chronos’ alignment, this is a null tell at best.
408- Votes for Chronos. He’s given Chronos a chance to explain and his case is as solid as anything at this point. Null.
Based on the above, Inner Stickler is extremely neutral. He hasn’t participated that much (ironic considering his feelings in 110). He started the argument against Chronos. I waver between over-eager town and clever scum, in this situation.
I stated before that the way he started the ball rolling with Chronos and kind of let others run with it and subsequently voting later, did not sit well with me. Also like I said before, this “he baited everyone!” is very much a gut feeling, however, and I don’t feel comfortable voting solely on this.
Here’s the one that really earns my vote, though:
What? Why not?
What? Why? Why should he “go down for the team?” If he’s Town then he doesn’t know what you are. If he’s Town, then from his perspective, any player who has not claimed a power role is a better lynch than he, himself. [If he’s town] he is 100% sure that his own lynch is a mislynch; even if he’s only 10% suspicious of you, a defensive vote still betters his odds. This is terrible reasoning.
And yet you do. This whole thing where you say you don’t like the train on Zeriel and you don’t want to vote for him just for the evidence you have and then wham at the end of your post you vote for him? Very strange.
I agree with this post, and endorse the sentiment within. I am suspicious of Guiri in part for this reason. I think he’s poking and asking questions in his usual way, but without his usual direction and focus - the fact that he devoted energy (albeit modest energy) to quizzing me earlier toDay seems like a (deliberate) distraction from the actual business of the Day (what difference does it make why I chose to kill Meeko, in the end, given that I am confirmed? All it did was fill up space and cause me to spend game time typing a response rather than Scum hunting). In fact, the more I consider it, the more I’d rather see Guiri hang than Hardly. But I’d rather see Hardly hang than Zeriel; hence my current vote.
This bugs me A LOT. In your opinion, everyone’s case against Chronos was weak, eh? So why didn’t you mount a defense of him when it actually mattered? Say, around your post at #476, where you said:
This all strikes me as terribly Scummy. Right before a player dies, you offer a mealy-mouthed critique of the case against him - but no particularly detailed defense or argument against that case, just a vague characterization. Then you do the “if Chronos flips Town, we should look closely at X” routine, which is an old favorite of mine from games gone by. Then, long after the lynch has already happened, you strike a pose of “oh, that was a terrible case and I knew it all along.”
Now we’re tied. Someone’s going to have to break the tie, and I hope we can learn something from who does it, and how.
Crap, I borked some of the coding. Hopefully my intent will be clear.
Zeriel still has one more vote
I would appreciate if you could go over the bit about me again. You have me quoted as saying something I never said. What was your intent here?
I’m in an all-day meeting today–fortunately I think I’ve said all I need to in my defense.
It’s all quoted from Hardly Sanguine. The sentence in question was something Hardly said, as part of a paragraph with your name as its header.
**Vote Count:
Hardly(4): Meeko, Zeriel, OneandOnly, Storyteller
Zeriel(5): Chipacabra, Jimmy, ShadowFacts, Guiri, Hardly
1 Hour to go in this Day.
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I disagree a little with the conclusions that you draw. I think with the benefit of hindsight, we can pretty much call any rationale that leads to voting for a townie an easy vote. I mean, what happens tomorrow if it turns out Zeriel was town? Someone couls make a case against you saying that yes, zeriel’s vote record was poor but it’s an easy vote. The trick, it seems to me, is deciding which easy voting reasons were made by scum and which are townies.
Vote Shadowfacts because I don’t like this post but I’m not sure if I’ve adequately explained it or if it’s gibberish.
**Vote Count:
Hardly(4): Meeko, Zeriel, OneandOnly, Storyteller
Zeriel(5): Chipacabra, Jimmy, ShadowFacts, Guiri, Hardly
ShadowFacts(1): Inner Stickler
About 7 minutes to go.
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**The crowd gathered slowly around Zeriel, the selected target for the Order of the Phoenix’s kill.
“Wait! Please don’t! It’s not my fault! I haven’t killed anyone!” cried Zeriel.
“Still, we don’t care much for people with ideas or thoughts anymore,” said one wizard with a blank look on his face.
They encircled Zeriel. They raised their wands and cried together:
AVADA KEDAVRA!
Zeriel dropped dead.
And he did not morph at all. He was who they thought he was.
Zeriel, who was Remus Lupin, is dead. He was a member of the Order of the Phoenix and had no additional powers beyond daily voting for the lynch.
It is now Night Five. Day Six will begin on Saturday at Noon Eastern.
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Well, at least our streak of being insulted by the color is still alive.
Ah, piss. Sorry, Zeriel.
Good luck, guys.