That’s weird, kuz it’s only a little longer than the post you just put up!
Um, yes. Politifact is not a reliable source and they are full of it.
Somebody did get the words a little off. Wow. Got me.
“It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.”
—Joseph Stalin
This never happened.
I WATCHED it happen. What planet do you live on?
You need to make an appointment to see an optometrist, ASAP.
I’m sure the poster who just joined this month and who starts off his post with a blatant lie is being perfectly honest in his assessment of the situation…
The biography you provided doesn’t show that quote in any form. The link I provide shows a potential attribution. The biography was interesting but I doubt anyone on these boards doesn’t know who Stalin was.
Because anyone who disagrees with your version of the facts must be lying. This is exactly what I’m talking about. You have no credibility until you watch the presentation of the audit findings. Until then I consider your opinion biased at best.
Look again under QUOTES. You may have to click a button to go to the next one or several. There are FOUR quotes.
Insulting me doesn’t change facts and doesn’t change history. And usually what I find is that is all those on the left HAVE is insults.
And I quote from that page, the words I saw and heard with my own eyes and ears on election night:
MSNBC cut away from Trump to anchor Brian Williams.
“Here we are again in the unusual position of not only interrupting the president of the United States but correcting the president of the United States,” he said. “There are no illegal votes that we know of, there has been no Trump victory that we know of.”
I could give a rip whether you believe me or not. Don’t take my word for it, I’m telling you to go watch the audit results presentation. Instead you choose to insult me, call me a liar with no basis whatsoever…
I’m not here to debate with you. I’m trying to get you to consider some ideas that conflict with those you’ve filled your heads with.
Just like those who obstruct the audits and defy subpoenas–what are you AFRAID of? Your behavior reminds me of an 8 year-old with eyes squeezed shut and fingers jammed into ears, chanting “LA-LA-LALA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-I’m-not-listening-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA…”
Y’all are still looking for people to provide PROOF the election was stolen, and then when they do, you either dismiss it as partisan crap, or you just refuse to even look at it.
And you’re still missing the point that they don’t HAVE to prove the election was stolen. They only need to prove that election laws were broken. And they have.
I’ve heard Trump and others say many times that the election was stolen. That’s what the whole “Stop the Steal” thing was about. My question is how was it stolen? What evidence do you have that the election was stolen? Yes, if you make that claim, the onus is, indeed, on you to demonstrate it, not to simply claim it. Otherwise, there’s no good reason to believe you.
You have no idea what the whole “Stop the Steal” thing was about, because you’ve been told nothing but lies by the propaganda machine of the DNC and Communist China.
Stop the Steal was about pausing the certification of the election so that THE STATES could revisit their own elections per the constitution and determine if there WAS fraud.
They KNEW that not all of the states would even review their election results, but possibly enough would to decertify the election and cause a new election–I dunno, but we would not have Biden in the White House now.
NO ONE ever asked to just have the election overturned, contrary to what I have heard said on the left and by democrats I know personally. What they were ASKING for is only now beginning to happen with this forensic audit in Arizona, and Georgia is next, and probably Wisconsin after that.
The investigations and the audits will produce the proof and the evidence that all of the propaganda machine has been ballyhooing doesn’t exist ever since election night.
I will agree with you on one point–sort of. What everyone should have said is they BELIEVE the election was stolen, and that we need investigations and forensic audits to prove it. You can argue until you’re blue in the face that there was no proof that is warranted, but it is constitutional and provided for in federal law, hence the requirement to maintain all election related records for 22 months.
After election night, people who are a lot smarter about math and patterns and probabilities than you or me began to see very distinct anomalies and things in the numbers that just are not realistic if this were an honest election. That’s not proof, but it drew attention and scrutiny to the places where the fraud occurred and especially where it was most extensive.
STOP with the dismissing the claims due to no evidence and LOOK at the evidence.
And I really don’t give a rip whether you believe me or not. I keep telling you don’t take my word for it; LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE! WATCH THE AUDIT RESULTS PRESENTATION!
Watch that with an open mind and THEN tell me you don’t believe me.
It’s only the future of our country at stake, and what kind of country and what kind of world we want to leave for our kids and their grandkids and their grandkids. If you believe what Biden is doing is good for the country and for the world, then by all means keep denying the evidence and live on in ignorance.
Cite? most democracies permit mail-in voting. And who says it permits cheating.
You have a point there. Any voting machine is potentially problematic. A single voting machine can be rigged, or incorrectly set up. There have been definite examples of faults changing the results of very small local elections with a few dozen voters
Faulty chad-punching machines even may have changed the result of the 2000 Presidential election. It was a very close race, and came down to a few hundred disputed votes in one state.
But the margin won by Biden was huge. There is no way that fraud or human error could change the result that much.
They tried to do that, about 60 times. In every case either they dropped the case, or a judge ruled that the law was followed properly.
The burden of proof always lies with the accuser. Those claiming illegal voting must prove there was illegal voting.
Yet even so, every state has proved in court time after time that mail-in votes ARE legal.
I read many of the 60+ lawsuits filed, and many of them were asking for just this. Did you read them?
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Study: Grown-up Countries Don’t Use Mail-In Voting for National Elections | American Liberty Report
Developed countries ‘ban’ mail-in voting, US would be ‘laughing stock’: Report - Washington Examiner
Even this MSN piece admits it:
MSN
On what planet was that? In all six swing states that determined the election, the margin was only five figures.
Read this NPR story. I’m sure you won’t say THEY are not a reliable source:
Biden Won By Narrow Margins In Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin : NPR
Yeah, the popular vote was huge–but (1) we don’t elect our President by popular vote, and (2) do you never ask how it is that the guy who never left his basement managed to get more votes than any presidential candidate in history and beat the President who got more votes than any sitting President in history? They did that by cheating in all 50 states–even those where it would really stink and draw attention to the steal if Biden won–like Texas. But they cheated there too, to increase the popular vote.
But why am I educating you? Go and watch the audit presentation like I told you!
You’re wrong. First, WE THE PEOPLE have the right to have the elections officials prove that elections were honest. Second, this wasn’t ABOUT criminal a case at first. That was to come AFTER investigations and audits.
This is what has you guys all wrapped around the axle. You’ve been fed so much crap about this by people who are blind with their hatred of Orange Man that you don’t know which end is up. It was only about pausing certification of the election so that those states who WOULD, would review their elections and possibly decertify their electors. Then if neither candidate had 270 electoral votes, the courts WOULD have to act and do their jobs and interpret the law to determine the next steps according to the constitution and federal law, and then the individual states’ laws.
It was about getting the states who suspected there could be fraud to do investigations and do audits to find out, and THEN charge criminals who broke the law, with the evidence revealed BY those investigations and audits.
And nobody has said that mail in votes are not legal. I never said that. What I SAID is that the last minute changes many states made to their elections laws that were not sanctioned by their legislatures was UNCONSTITUTIONAL and therefore ILLEGAL. But it was done because of the COVID boogeyman. Still 100% illegal.
Filed by whom?
The Trump team? I doubt it.
Which courts?
The courts told us already that you are wrong.
I just have one question for all of you and then I’m done here because we are in the middle of a move halfway across the country, and I don’t have time to educate all of you.
Do you ever stop just for five seconds and ask yourselves, Ya know, I don’t like Trump any more than the next guy, but what if it’s true? What if China DID interfere? What if the democrats and certain RINOs DID conspire and commit massive election fraud and steal the election? Is that really the country you want to live in?
Before you ask, Yes I have asked myself what if this really was an honest election. I have. And the answer is simply that if it WAS honest, the audits will prove it. That’s all I want is an honest investigation. But if laws were broken–and they have been–then I want the criminals prosecuted to the fullest extent and I want those states where it happened to decertify their elections.