There is a saying that no one like to be sold but everyone likes to buy. Hillary’s vices of being paranoid, greedy, and power hungry are common among politicians but most are better at hiding it. Her husband is objectively a worse person but he is also charming, likable, and charismatic. It is the difference between being seduced and robbed by a charming con man and being mugged by a crack addict, both take your money but most people would hate the second experience much more.
In short she is not charming enough to be as evil as she is.
Are you saying that the same people who hate Trump’s corruption, misogyny, lack of experience, greed and paranoia also hate Hillary? There is definitely some overlap but for the most part most Trump haters don’t hate Hillary too.
The point is that Trump supporters who hate Hillary very clearly don’t hate Hillary for corruption, misogyny, greed, or paranoia, since Trump very clearly demonstrates all those qualities as much or more so than Hillary Clinton.
“Felt”? This little aside began when a poster wrote that Clinton “flat stated that women should vote for her because she was female” (my emphasis). The “opposite” of flatly stating something is…not stating it.
The closest thing I can find is something that people jumped all over, which she said during an election campaign interview with Ellen Degeneres:
“I’m not asking people to vote for me because I’m a woman, but I think if you vote for somebody on the merits, one of my merits is ‘I’m a woman’, and I think that makes a big difference in today’s world.”
I stand by my earlier assertion that ‘spin has a nasty way of creating facts about Clinton that are only shades (sometimes very, very pale shades) of the truth.’ In searching for this clip, I found lots of conservative websites that took only a portion of the sentence to declare that Clinton told people to vote for her because she’s a woman (and one which slowed down the audio to make her sound demented). Which morphed into a belief that she ‘flatly stated’ such. If you want to argue otherwise, then you are continuing to twist and spin her sentiment (which she’s expounded upon elsewhere when she’s explained that ‘women’s issues like childcare’ are social issues that impact the larger society).
I mean, was it an applause line? Yeah, it was. Was it done before a sympathetic audience? Yeah, it was. But can you imagine some other politician doing something as tawdry as using a platitude to garner cheers? Yeah, you can.
Clinton does not get the benefit of the doubt - ever (I mean, people who are skeptical sometimes won’t even flatly deny that she’s had people killed.) Part of it is because she’s a woman. I think a larger part has been a multi-decade character assassination, such that everybody “knows” she’s shady.
To be fair, they have a deep visceral hatred for their political opponents. It is hard to tell sometimes, whether someone hates you because you are a woman, or because you disagree with them.
Most people don’t hate someone or something because of a quality of that someone or something. They hate because they want to hate, and they latch on to whatever they can to justify it.
No, I think what he very clearly said was that those who hate Hillary Clinton support Trump. So, it would seem as though corruption, misogyny, lack of experience, greed and paranoia were deal breakers in regards to her, but are not in regards to him.
If the people who hated Clinton for those reasons also hated Trump for those reasons, then that would be consistent. As they don’t, then there must be something else than those reasons for them to hate her.
I remember when Bill Clinton asked his wife to work on the healthcare problems the country had and the bitching and moaning that started. People said it just wasn’t right to have “someone” (that meant a woman) who wasn’t elected working on it. As if the presidents never ask people to work for them who weren’t elected. Unbelievable.
That’s not how most people use the phrase “quite the opposite”. It makes your sentence redundant, ie you’re saying “she didn’t say that, in fact she didn’t say that.”
Regardless, of course her political opponents exaggerated the point but given the Ellen moment, the Albright moment and the “I’m with her” slogan, I don’t think it’s a very very pale version of the truth to say she thought she should get votes because she is a woman. That’s not that horrible though and a pretty eye roll worthy reason to hate her.
Well, if it makes you feel better, I provided a cite where she did say, “I’m not asking people to vote for me because I’m a woman.”
Actually, her campaign slogan was “Stronger Together”. But did she try to garner the ‘female’ vote? Yes, she most certainly did. Elections are often about categorizing people in terms of demographics. Because it’s Clinton, though, that is deemed nefarious.
Agreed. Which is why it’s weird when shit like this gets dragged out as reasons she’s hated.
There’s more than one campaign slogan. Wikipedia lists “Stronger together”, “I’m with her”, “Fighting for us” and “Love trumps hate”.
Hillary had a public service job before she even married Bill. Then, at age 30, she co-founded Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families; the next year she was appointed the first female chair of the Legal Services Corporation.
Contrast this with Jared Kushner, Peacemaker for the Middle East, about whom the best insider compliment is that he’s “not the brightest bulb on the tree.”
It might be amusing to hear what Hillary haters have to say about Jared.
Interesting seeing this question coming from you of all people, when you started the following Pit thread about Hillary right here on these boards:
If you read the responses, even Sam Stone thought your bashing of Hillary was way over-the-top.
Likewise people who hate Trump for those things should hate Hillary if they are consistent. Muppet news flash: people are not consistent.
People are always going to have bad feelings about the other teams political leaders but the hate Hillary and Trump get is much greater than most other politicians. The reason is that they are worse than other politicians.
I do not agree that Hillary Clinton is nearly of the same kind nor degree of corruption as Trump.
In Trump’s case, this is objectively true, in Clinton’s it is more a matter of people believing far more about her than is actually true. For instance, when I was over at my parents’ house this holiday weekend, my mother brought up the Clintons’ murder of Vince Foster. I don’t know where it went from there, as, by my covenant with them, they bring up politics, and I stand up and walk out, but she did seem to be rather incensed by this.
Good for you that you remembered and that you chose to mention it from 18 years ago (in the gloom of 9/11). I, too, remembered it but after I posted this OP.
Indeed, part of my motivation for asking where the hate comes from was because I, myself, have changed. I believe I’ve seen through what I used to mostly ignore but sometime parroted. I’ve been much more aware lately. Not quite woke, but just napping.
(I changed regarding saturated fats.)
By the way, since I posted my screed on Hillary on September 21, 2001, I’ve become fond of the following quote (ostensibly uttered by John Maynard Keynes):
Thank you for your response. To impose upon your generous nature once again, may I ask you for your observations about how widespread Bloomberg-hatred is, and to speculate on the reason(s) for any disparity you may have noted between that and Hillary-hatred?
Nepotism?? Trumpists are “happy their man won because of Clinton ‘nepotism’” ?? :eek:
I’m too lazy to start my own thread. Here are my two poll questions:
(1) is “I’m glad Hillary didn’t win” in the context of the 2016 election almost the equivalent of “I’m glad Trump won” ?
(a) Yes.
(b) Close enough. Pretending there’s a significant difference is a path to obfuscation
(c) Not sure.
(d) No.
(2) Please comment on Jared, as requested in the quote above.
(a) I am not a Hillary despiser, so am under no obligation to write the 75-word essay.
(b) Sure, I’m a Hillary hater but I hate Jared too … I hate most of them.
(c) Attached is a 75-word essay, my opinion on the fitness and/or morals of the Trump family.
(d) Even 75 words is too much for lazy me. :o Here are 20 words.
(Thanks in advance for your responses. Don’t make me open a Poll thread. :eek: I would like to hear Clinton-Bloomberg comparisons from our conservatives; but why not Hillary-Jared comparisons as well? Note that Jared already has a post higher than any post Hillary had when huge animosity was building )
I can’t really put a finger on it but I’m not a huge fan of H.R.C.'s either (I wasn’t in 2016 and I’m still not). Or maybe it’s that there are so many different things about her that I don’t like that I just don’t feel like reviewing them in my head and summarizing them here. But if someone like me could find so many reasons to not vote for Bill Clinton’s spouse, imagine how easy it must’ve been for people who REALLY didn’t like her to vote for that other “person.” (I use the term “person” very loosely when referencing he of the lying gob [thanks, Jeopardy!] and the horrible hair and personality who currently occupies the W.H.)
- No. But only because what voting for that other “person”* got us is worse. So, so much worse (in my opinion. But I like to think that many, many others on the SDMB share that opinion with me).
*See above