No one has said that any use of the word nigger is hate speech. The context is significant. And no evidence has been produced that Little Pig remark was an actual quote.
It’s definitely not an urban myth, because the guy told me he heard it himself and he wouldn’t lie about it. Only question is whether he misremembered, which is something else.
I incline to doubt it. As above, he was talking about something which was fairly recent at the time.
And I don’t get the apparent basis for your objection. Even today, people - especially African Americans - still use the term on air when discussing the attitudes of other people, as Ali was doing in this instance. And standards would have been looser yet back when this was said, about 30-35 years ago.
Of course, anything is possible.
Idle Thoughts warned him for (among other things) hate speech. Was there another word that triggered the warning?
The context in this case was that he previously used the word Negro, and insulted Mississippi, which is mostly black, even though it isn’t.
But of course, no one said that either.
Regards,
Shodan
FWIW at 5min 23 secs Ali says “nigger” referring to himself multiple times on TV in 1974 : Mike Douglas Show w/Sly Stone & Muhammad Ali 1974 (Part 4 of 4) - YouTube
I’m still not seeing the hate speech thing, but it’s definitely thread shitting. You don’t pop into a RIP thread and talk shit about the deceased-- that has clearly been established as thread shitting.
To add to my prior post, I looked around a bit and while I can’t find the exact quote my friend heard, I think it’s extremely likely it was an accurate one. In addition to Ali commonly using “nigger” when discussing (other people’s perceptions of) himself, he also repeatedly expressed the concept that my friend heard: that he trash talked a lot so that people would root for him to get shut up, but they would come out to see him. See e.g.
http://www.alex-haley.com/alex_haley_cassius_clay_interview.htm
In sum, the language was consistent, the sentiment definitely his, likely a true story.
I wouldn’t have thought of that as a “RIP thread”. I thought those were threads in MPSIMS, specifically dedicated to RIPing. This was a thread in the Sports forum, and I would have thought any sort of remembrances of Ali were part of the thread.
I don’t even know why I bother responding your posts. I probably should just ignore them, since you will insist on “not understanding” the responses regardless of what I say.
Well, I guess now you know!
Not really. I don’t think that’s what it was really about.
What do you think of the comments in this thread?
I’m not going to read a whole thread searching for “something”. If you have a specific post, point it out, do so. The fact that a particular RIP thread was not in MPSISMs doesn’t make any difference, if you ask me. The first rule of RIP threads is you don’t shit all over RIP threads.
That thread actually is in MPSIMS, and featured a lot of negative comments about Rob Ford in a thread announcing his death.
Read it or don’t. I am skeptical as to whether this alleged rule is as well-established as you claim.
Lots of posts don’t get mod’ed because the mods never see them. There have been plenty of warnings for thread shitting in RIP threads, and it’s been discussed in this forum before. Maybe you missed that discussion.
Even if that’s true, any rule which is not contained in the “official” rules sticky notes and which is frequently violated without consequence should not result in a warning.
Do not thread shit is an official rule. Read this ATMB thread. Note:
Threadshitting is against the rules, but what exactly constitutes threadshitting is not always clear.
The thread you cite was explicitly started as a memorial thread, and in that context saying “why should we memorialize those people?” is clearly threadshitting, by definition.
In this case, someone started a thread to announce that someone had died, and it’s unclear that anything other than adulation is the same. Especially as there’s precedent otherwise, as above.
Yes. I mean if you have to say something, like about a celebrities drug use, makes sure it’s at least worded like “It’s a shame that their drug use ended a brilliant career so early”- and even that needs to be used carefully.
It was clearly an RIP thread.
And yet you seem unwilling to quote these offending posts…
My contention was falsified by mistymage’s link. On the Mike Douglas show, Ali used the N-word and also “Hell”. I would have assumed that curse words would have been bleeped out during a daytime show.
If you aren’t going to say anything of substance, I don’t know either.
Little_Pig was warned earlier for posting in such a way to suggest that he has problems with places where the majority of people are black, like Mississippi, which is not majority-black. And that is how we know that he has problems with places that are majority-black - because he has problems with places that aren’t.
What’s not to understand?
Regards,
Shodan
Classic FOAF.